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Old 03-14-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Darkatt View Post
Mac OSX is Darwin Linux.
Wrong, it was the Mach kernel and BSD...

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After Apple removed Steve Jobs from management in 1985, he left the company and attempted — with funding from Ross Perot [1] and his own pockets — to create the "next big thing": the result was NeXT. NeXT hardware was advanced for its time, being the first workstation to include a DSP and a high-capacity optical disc drive, but it had several quirks and design problems and was expensive compared to the rapidly commoditizing workstation market. The hardware was phased out in 1993, however, the company's object-oriented operating system NeXTSTEP had a more lasting legacy.

NeXTSTEP was based on the Mach kernel and BSD, an implementation of Unix dating back to the 1970s.
History of Mac OS X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Mac OS X is the newest of Apple Inc.'s Mac OS line of operating systems. Although it is officially designated as simply "version 10" of the Mac OS, it has a history largely independent of the earlier Mac OS releases.
The operating system is the successor to Mac OS 9 and the "classic" Mac OS. It is a Unix operating system, based on the NeXTSTEP operating system and the Mach kernel which Apple acquired after purchasing NeXT Computer, with its CEO Steve Jobs returning to Apple at this time. Mac OS X also makes use of the BSD code base. There have been six significant releases of the client version, the most recent being Mac OS X 10.7, referred to as Lion. In February 2012, Apple announced OS X 10.8. referred to as Mountain Lion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS#Mac_OS_X

If you have different facts please post them.....

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Old 03-14-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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The one thing that really needs to happen in the Linux community is to standardize packages into Debian, IMO. Google Earth Linux is pre-packaged into Debian and all you have to do is open it and Ubuntu Software Center runs it and installs it. Linux is only difficult to learn if you have to install something that isn't pre-configured as a Debian package (in this case, compiling a program from a tarball). That is the biggest obstacle to more widespread usage, IMO, as not everyone is willing to learn how to use the command line. I'm still a novice user when it comes to it. At least I know the basic commands and how to install Oracle Java instead of OpenJDK. But, my complaint is the same as most people, I want more GUI, less terminal
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Inaccurate, Darwin is the CORE of the os, FreeBSD however plays a substantial role.

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Darwin, the core of Apple Mac OS X, borrows FreeBSD’s virtual file system, network stack, and components of its userspace. The OpenDarwin project (now defunct), a spin-off of Apple’s Darwin operating system, also included substantial FreeBSD code. Thanks to the permissive FreeBSD License, much of FreeBSD now also forms the basis of Apple Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server..
FreeBSD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, if you WATCH the startup for a mac it TELLS you it's darwin.

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Darwin is an open source POSIX-compliant computer operating system released by Apple Inc. in 2000. It is composed of code developed by Apple, as well as code derived from NeXTSTEP, BSD, and other free software projects.
Darwin forms the core set of components upon which Mac OS X and iOS are based. It is compatible with the Single UNIX Specification version 3 (SUSv3) and POSIX UNIX applications and utilities.[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_...ting_system%29
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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MacOSX is FreeBSD under the covers..
See previous post.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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--And,

.flac trumps .mp3 by a LONG shot! (That is, if you care about the quality of your music..)

Incredible that so many people still aren't aware..


Peace,
brian
It's not that people are unaware, it's that they realized there is no benefit going to a format that is incompatible with almost all the hardware that is currently on the market and provides no increase to the auditory experience....

The only benefit of flac is lossless compression, period.

Could you please post accredited sources that show flac is vastly superior to high quality mp3's?

Uses for FLAC

  • Take up 20% more disk space than high quality mp3 files.
  • Making idiots feel special on the internet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/OTI - broken link) when they brag about how they can hear tiny differences between FLAC and high quality mp3s, despite the fact that auditory experts can't even do this
  • Letting *******s (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/******* - broken link) brag about how large their music collections are, even though this is only due to their use of such a bloated format and that a normal person could have ten times as much music and still take up less space
  • Allowing techno-geeks to fill their needlessly large 50-terabyte hard drive setups with something other than vast quantities of anime (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Anime - broken link) and porn (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Porn - broken link)
  • Helping hardware companies sell more portable audio players (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/IPod - broken link) by making older models obsolete, since most players don't support lossless audio
  • Giving audiophiles validation for owning that $8,000 pair of headphones, so that they can pretend to be able to hear the inaudible frequencies that they "lost" with mp3s.
A harddrive full of FLACs, with an SD card full of MP3s for comparison:

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.ch/b/b5/HugeHardDrive.jpg (broken link)

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Old 03-14-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Originally Posted by plwhit View Post
It's not that people are unaware, it's that they realized there is no benefit going to a format that is incompatible with almost all the hardware that is currently on the market and provides no increase to the auditory experience....

The only benefit of flac is lossless compression, period.

Could you please post accredited sources that show flac is vastly superior to high quality mp3's?

Uses for FLAC

  • Take up 20% more disk space than high quality mp3 files.
  • Making idiots feel special on the internet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/OTI - broken link) when they brag about how they can hear tiny differences between FLAC and high quality mp3s, despite the fact that auditory experts can't even do this
  • Letting *******s (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/******* - broken link) brag about how large their music collections are, even though this is only due to their use of such a bloated format and that a normal person could have ten times as much music and still take up less space
  • Allowing techno-geeks to fill their needlessly large 50-terabyte hard drive setups with something other than vast quantities of anime (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Anime - broken link) and porn (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Porn - broken link)
  • Helping hardware companies sell more portable audio players (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/IPod - broken link) by making older models obsolete, since most players don't support lossless audio
  • Giving audiophiles validation for owning that $8,000 pair of headphones, so that they can pretend to be able to hear the inaudible frequencies that they "lost" with mp3s.
A harddrive full of FLACs, with an SD card full of MP3s for comparison:
LOL, havent seen a diskpac that large since I ran a burroughs.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:03 PM
 
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LOL, havent seen a diskpac that large since I ran a burroughs.
po dpa
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Originally Posted by plwhit View Post
It's not that people are unaware, it's that they realized there is no benefit going to a format that is incompatible with almost all the hardware that is currently on the market and provides no increase to the auditory experience....

The only benefit of flac is lossless compression, period.

Could you please post accredited sources that show flac is vastly superior to high quality mp3's?

Uses for FLAC

  • Take up 20% more disk space than high quality mp3 files.
  • Making idiots feel special on the internet (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/OTI - broken link) when they brag about how they can hear tiny differences between FLAC and high quality mp3s, despite the fact that auditory experts can't even do this
  • Letting *******s (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/******* - broken link) brag about how large their music collections are, even though this is only due to their use of such a bloated format and that a normal person could have ten times as much music and still take up less space
  • Allowing techno-geeks to fill their needlessly large 50-terabyte hard drive setups with something other than vast quantities of anime (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Anime - broken link) and porn (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Porn - broken link)
  • Helping hardware companies sell more portable audio players (http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/IPod - broken link) by making older models obsolete, since most players don't support lossless audio
  • Giving audiophiles validation for owning that $8,000 pair of headphones, so that they can pretend to be able to hear the inaudible frequencies that they "lost" with mp3s.
A harddrive full of FLACs, with an SD card full of MP3s for comparison:
I can hear the difference between FLAC and MP3 easily.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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I can hear the difference between FLAC and MP3 easily.
There are differing levels of MP3 compression. If I use less compression, then the file is larger, but there is less audio loss.

A high quality MP3 uses both variable compression, with just a bit of lossy compression. The resulting file is about ½ the size of the corresponding flac, and in many cases up to ¼ of the size, with very little loss, so that without expensive sound testing equipment the loss cannot be measured, and certainly not by the human ear.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:41 PM
 
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I can hear the difference between FLAC and MP3 easily.
I would be curious about the controls you used while comparing the two formats.
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