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Old 03-14-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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Contradictory? Uninformed? Are American voters so caught up in the politics of rumor and contradiction that the real facts either escape them or are completely ignored?

An interesting article in Politico.

How much do voters know?

2012 Election: How much do voters know? - POLITICO.com
Voters are appalled at President Barack Obama’s handling of gas prices, even though virtually every policy expert in both parties says there’s little a president can do to affect the day-to-day price of fuel in a global market.

Americans are disgusted at Washington’s bailout culture, and especially the 2008 rescue of the financial services industry. They’re so fed up with bailouts, in fact, that a majority of them now think federal intervention in the auto industry was a good idea that helped the country.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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The average American voter is an ignoramus...how else would you explain a favorable rating for obama after he has driven this country to the brink of disaster?
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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The average American voter is an ignoramus...how else would you explain a favorable rating for obama after he has driven this country to the brink of disaster?

Took more than one administration to get us into this mess...

Just saying.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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Took more than one administration to get us into this mess...

Just saying.
Not disagreeing..but this administration is the worst.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Contradictory? Uninformed? Are American voters so caught up in the politics of rumor and contradiction that the real facts either escape them or are completely ignored?

An interesting article in Politico.

How much do voters know?

2012 Election: How much do voters know? - POLITICO.com
Voters are appalled at President Barack Obama’s handling of gas prices, even though virtually every policy expert in both parties says there’s little a president can do to affect the day-to-day price of fuel in a global market.

Americans are disgusted at Washington’s bailout culture, and especially the 2008 rescue of the financial services industry. They’re so fed up with bailouts, in fact, that a majority of them now think federal intervention in the auto industry was a good idea that helped the country.
Your premise is filled with partial truths. There are many things to be upset with regarding Obama's energy policies. He funnels millions of taxpayer money to his buddies' green energy failures (ie., Solyndra anyone?). He ignores federal court rulings to allow for permits to be issued to companies wanting to drill for oil in the Gulf. He put the nix on the Keystone pipeline, and has a Secretary of Energy who has gone on the record stating that he wants to see $5.00/gallon gasoline. And then we have liberals like you telling us we shouldn't be upset.

Regarding the auto bailout, there is also much to take issue with. How about how the investors and creditors' claims were subverted so that the unions could get their sweetheart deal. Secured creditors should have been at the head of the line in negotiations, but Obama flagrantly squashed their rights and the rule of law surrounding bankruptcy proceedings were not followed. We have every right to be mad as hell.

But you keep on thinking it's because we're too stupid to understand the issues and/or what really happened.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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Your premise is filled with partial truths. There are many things to be upset with regarding Obama's energy policies. He funnels millions of taxpayer money to his buddies' green energy failures (ie., Solyndra anyone?). He ignores federal court rulings to allow for permits to be issued to companies wanting to drill for oil in the Gulf. He put the nix on the Keystone pipeline, and has a Secretary of Energy who has gone on the record stating that he wants to see $5.00/gallon gasoline. And then we have liberals like you telling us we shouldn't be upset.

Regarding the auto bailout, there is also much to take issue with. How about how the investors and creditors' claims were subverted so that the unions could get their sweetheart deal. Secured creditors should have been at the head of the line in negotiations, but Obama flagrantly squashed their rights and the rule of law surrounding bankruptcy proceedings were not followed. We have every right to be mad as hell.

But you keep on thinking it's because we're too stupid to understand the issues and/or what really happened.

Noo, I didn't mention stupid, I said uninformed.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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Not disagreeing..but this administration is the worst.

Seriously, I think they should have scrapped the HC reform bill for a pared down version, and concentrated fully on job creation, and getting us the hell out of the middle east.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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Not disagreeing..but this administration is the worst.
In the minds of the brainwashed right. Anyone with even basic knowledge of the administrations and policies of the past will see the disasters and failed policies in this country have been from the GOP.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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Your premise is filled with partial truths. There are many things to be upset with regarding Obama's energy policies. He funnels millions of taxpayer money to his buddies' green energy failures (ie., Solyndra anyone?). He ignores federal court rulings to allow for permits to be issued to companies wanting to drill for oil in the Gulf. He put the nix on the Keystone pipeline, and has a Secretary of Energy who has gone on the record stating that he wants to see $5.00/gallon gasoline. And then we have liberals like you telling us we shouldn't be upset.

Regarding the auto bailout, there is also much to take issue with. How about how the investors and creditors' claims were subverted so that the unions could get their sweetheart deal. Secured creditors should have been at the head of the line in negotiations, but Obama flagrantly squashed their rights and the rule of law surrounding bankruptcy proceedings were not followed. We have every right to be mad as hell.

But you keep on thinking it's because we're too stupid to understand the issues and/or what really happened.
Just need to point out that the money that went to green energy has nothing to do with the price of fuel. Nor do the permits for drilling in the Gulf, nor the Keystone pipeline. Gas prices this go-round are not the result of any shortage in fuel supplies. In fact, we have so much gas that oil companies are exporting it, from the United States. Because they can get better prices abroad. That's why the experts are all saying that there's not much the President can do.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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Just need to point out that the money that went to green energy has nothing to do with the price of fuel. Nor do the permits for drilling in the Gulf, nor the Keystone pipeline. Gas prices this go-round are not the result of any shortage in fuel supplies. In fact, we have so much gas that oil companies are exporting it, from the United States. Because they can get better prices abroad. That's why the experts are all saying that there's not much the President can do.
I don't necessarily disagree, but the policies towards energy by this administration are not promoting confidence that Obama really does care about the price of gas especially when his Secretary of Energy has stated he wants to see $5/gal for gas. Perception is what speculators base decisions on and what fuels (no pun intended) spikes or declines. The perception is that Obama wants higher gas prices.
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