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Old 03-16-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well you can google the site on there that gives the data as they probably have more up to date info. Also remember states like california and florida and even texas do have high immigrant populations which will account for higher teen births. But even among white teens the numbers are higher in the south, and midwest. It's of course a mixture of things rather then being one solid point.
Actually what I found interesting is that California was #7 in the number of teen pregnancies but didn't even show up in the list of top teen births.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Public health issues however trump your parental rights i'm sorry.

Did you seriously just SAY this??
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: North America
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Again, why is that a bad thing to respect the right of what the parents think their children are exposed to? Last I checked, the state didn't give birth to the child, nor help conceive it. Why do you think the state's moral authority supersedes that of the parents'?
Because as i said before the state ends up having to foot the bill of parents who prefer ignorance over knowledge. When everyone else is forced to pay for the result or your moral beliefs then it no longer falls only under your rights as a parent.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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from your article

The policy also allows parents "to deny permission (opt out) for access to condoms for their students."

Parents can opt out. Wipe the outraged spittle from your chins.
The better choice is to allow parents to opt in.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: North America
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Did you seriously just SAY this??
You just quoted me, so i think that's fairly obvious i said it.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because as i said before the state ends up having to foot the bill of parents who prefer ignorance over knowledge. When everyone else is forced to pay for the result or your moral beliefs then it no longer falls only under your rights as a parent.
But if they are under the age of 18 then it is the parent who is responsible, not the state. A 12 year old who has a baby cannot apply for welfare/food stamps. And a grandparent cannot apply for welfare because their kid had a kid.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: California
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I fail to see how teaching facts is ever a threat to anyone or trumping parental rights. If a school your child goes to has a program you will hear about it and they give you an opt out, but it's really more of a sign that you should be talking to your own kids about this stuff first and not putting it off or trying to keep them ignorant because you prefer them not to know about things for whatever reason. If you want to teach them then do it, there is no danger.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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But if they are under the age of 18 then it is the parent who is responsible, not the state. A 12 year old who has a baby cannot apply for welfare/food stamps. And a grandparent cannot apply for welfare because their kid had a kid.
That's what I was about to say. This goes back to again, bailing out someone for their mistakes of not practicing self-control. Lucid is basically saying forget parental rights, the state is supreme.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Maybe a middle school class on the reality of abortion. Graphic video of dead fetuses included. No religion, just scientific fact. If you don't like it, opt out....
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I fail to see how teaching facts is ever a threat to anyone or trumping parental rights. If a school your child goes to has a program you will hear about it and they give you an opt out, but it's really more of a sign that you should be talking to your own kids about this stuff first and not putting it off or trying to keep them ignorant because you prefer them not to know about things for whatever reason. If you want to teach them then do it, there is no danger.
This thread is about handing out condoms to 12 year olds.
It's right in the OP link. They are more than just teaching facts; they are handing out condoms to 12 year olds at school.
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