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That road leads to government mandated and enforced behavior. Where does it stop? And, how can one be truly free if he allows government to dictate his lifestyle to him?
It's only mandated if you choose to participate.
The problem is everyone wants the freedom to make bad choices and then have their neighbors pay the price. Millions of people make a conscious choice not to enroll in their company health plans because it's too expensive. When they break a leg skiing or suffer some other illness or injury they are treated anyway, regardless of their ability to pay. The system picks up the tab.
Maybe instead of insurance cards we could issue "non insurance" cards. The holders have made a conscious decision in the name of personal liberty and freedom not to benefit from those who choose to hold insurance. When the ambulance arrives at the scene of the car crash, the mangled guys with the non-insurance cards are left to fend for themselves. If they show up at the ER with chest pains or are diagnosed with cancer, the docs simply tell them to show them the money or hit the pavement. You know, liberty and all...
You won't get much traffic in this thread. Haven't you noticed that the right is a one-trick pony? They have no ideas of their own but are very good at bashing Obama.
That's their only stock in trade.
Consequently, they'll avoid this thread like the plague...unless FOX, Rush or Glenn happen to offer up a talking point on the subject.
My main talking point remains in effect and many of the people who I don't want to get the socialized medicine will be able to live the way they want and also get government support. Those would be those who have no insurance now because they want to live a certain way and can't afford the cars, high priced apartments, etc that they put ahead of health care since they know they won't be denied help if they need it bad enough. I don't remember any Democrats wanting to talk about how many of the millions without insurance put life style ahead of insurance. I wonder what would happen if Congress had discussed those people before passing Obamacare. Oh yeah, I forgot, they never did discuss Obamacare before voting on it. Right?
If people want someone else to pay for their healthcare, they must at least try
and lessen their need for it.
If people aren't smart enough to take care of themselves and are unwilling to listen to advice then why should you get rewarded for it, if you want total freedom to do anything you want, then pay for the consequences yourself.
Raising taxes on unhealthy food to offset healthcare costs is much more fair then asking someone else to pay for the ever increasing healthcare cost of people who are unwilling to try and live a healthy lifestyle.
Tell me this...if I did everything "right;" eat "right," exercise, avoid stress etc, etc, etc....would I never get sick? Never need healthcare? Never die? Never cost others a dime?
"Healthy" living in the name of saving money is a lie and a lie used to justify the Nanny State.
Tell me this...if I did everything "right;" eat "right," exercise, avoid stress etc, etc, etc....would I never get sick? Never need healthcare? Never die? Never cost others a dime?
"Healthy" living in the name of saving money is a lie and a lie used to justify the Nanny State.
It seems you've bought the lie.
The fact is the state is better off if you eat like pig and drop dead of a heart attack before retirement age.
Tell me this...if I did everything "right;" eat "right," exercise, avoid stress etc, etc, etc....would I never get sick? Never need healthcare? Never die? Never cost others a dime?
"Healthy" living in the name of saving money is a lie and a lie used to justify the Nanny State.
It seems you've bought the lie.
No one can guarantee that you won't get sick, but you have a lot less chance of having a heart attack or a stroke and medical care for those can be very expensive. If people ate better and execised more diabetes would be a lot less
common.
If you do eat better and exercise you also get the side benefit of a longer life and feeling better.
Many of the problems people are having that require them to need medical care are caused by or made worse by people not taking care of themselves.
Of course some people can do everything right and still die young while others can get away with lots of bad habits and still have a very long life.
I prefer not to risk shortening my life unnecessarily but if you rather not try to live healthy, well that's your choice but don't expect other people to want to line up to pay for your bad habits.
I prefer not to risk shortening my life unnecessarily but if you rather not try to live healthy, well that's your choice but don't expect other people to want to line up to pay for your bad habits.
Yep, and if you have good habits and live to 110 and collect 45 years of SS plus ring up the typical medical bills associated with those in their 90's and beyond should we be happy then?
No one can guarantee that you won't get sick, but you have a lot less chance of having a heart attack or a stroke and medical care for those can be very expensive. If people ate better and execised more diabetes would be a lot less
common.
If you do eat better and exercise you also get the side benefit of a longer life and feeling better.
Many of the problems people are having that require them to need medical care are caused by or made worse by people not taking care of themselves.
Of course some people can do everything right and still die young while others can get away with lots of bad habits and still have a very long life.
I prefer not to risk shortening my life unnecessarily but if you rather not try to live healthy, well that's your choice but don't expect other people to want to line up to pay for your bad habits.
Horse hockey. If I live "right" enough to suit you, I'll just get sick and die from something else and you'll pay for that, so what's the point?
Everybody dies and most of us are not fortunate enough to just keel over. Shared healthcare costs are the price of living in a civilized country and it doesn't matter WHAT causes us to die, we'll still share the cost.
The question is whether or not giving up the liberty to chose is worth the trade off in expenses, especially given that those expenses are going to be paid in the end anyhow.
The point I was making is that lifestyle changes should be first, drugs should be prescribed only when dietary changes and exercise are proven to not be working. If you stop eating red meat or severely reduce your intake of it while also increasing your consumption of fruits and vegetables you can lower your
cholesterol.
It may even be necessary to become a vegetarian and walk several miles a day but most people will have much better cholesterol numbers if they eat right and exercise. You will also lose weight and feel better as a bonus.
I respectfully disagree. I found out that I, and most of my family, produce a much higher level of cholesterol then most people. All the exercise and change of diet would only reduce my levels minimally.
I could be dead before all the other things you suggest could take affect.
I respectfully disagree. I found out that I, and most of my family, produce a much higher level of cholesterol then most people. All the exercise and change of diet would only reduce my levels minimally.
I could be dead before all the other things you suggest could take affect.
I get the impression you don't favor medicine.
There will always be exceptions but for most people eating right and exercising makes a big difference, not everybody can take cholesterol lowering medicine.
I think too many people are taking medications they wouldn't need if they ate right and got some exercise.
How far did you go in your dietary changes? Did you try a vegetarian diet?
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