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Ok, sounds good to me. Now tell us what your ideas are...yeah, we know about the ID thing. I mean the rest of it...or did you think that every form of voter and election fraud is going to be stopped with a voter ID law?
If, if, if. We have all sorts of laws. We also have criminals, who do not obey those laws. That is why we have police departments. What is your point?
If everybody obeyed every law we wouldn't need the police.
I don't understand the issue here?
If you want to get rid of the real fraud in our election process, then start at the top with the ones buying politicians for us to pick from.
Get money out of politics via separation of corporation and state.
Campaign Finance Reform
One Dollar, One Vote.
End to Lobbying.
All this does is give the government more power over us.
There is NO reason for anyone NOT TO HAVE ID....and you have to show ID to rent a hotel room, book an airline ticket, write a check....almost everything.
I agree we must make sure that a person votes only once, if they choose to. By not having some sort of voter ID, we are leaving ourselves open to ANYONE voting in your name (or someone else's)...and that's NOT how our voting system works.
So, I agree wholeheartedly!
It doesn't matter what else you need ID for. People should not be charged money to vote. If the states have to give out all these free BCs (to get the "free" ID) how much is this going to cost them? There is no data that there is a major fraud problem with people voting in person.
I would like proof of that. How have these blacks been functioning in this country for 60-70 years without a birth certificate? I'm not buying it. Anyway, if you can't prove you are a U.S. citizen then your constitutional rights will not have been denied when you aren't allowed to vote. It all comes down to proof of citzenship to gain the constitutional right to vote.
It says it right there 1/5 African Americans born between 1939 and 1940 do not have birth certificates.
These people have been denied their constitutional rights for much of their lives it is categorically wrong to deny someone their rights because the state they were born in happened to be extrodinarily racist at the time they were born. Besides they may have socials and other documents that can prove citizenship. I cannot believe how caviler you people are about denying people their constitutional rights. Particularly since those same people were already subject to some of the worst discrimination 20th century America had to offer.
It says it right there 1/5 African Americans born between 1939 and 1940 do not have birth certificates.
These people have been denied their constitutional rights for much of their lives it is categorically wrong to deny someone their rights because the state they were born in happened to be extrodinarily racist at the time they were born. Besides they may have socials and other documents that can prove citizenship. I cannot believe how caviler you people are about denying people their constitutional rights. Particularly since those same people were already subject to some of the worst discrimination 20th century America had to offer.
If they have other documents that prove their citizenship then what is the problem? I have all the respect in the world for the plight of our black Americans and the discrimination they suffered in the past. That has nothing to do with it. You can either prove you are a citizen or you can't. Are we suppose to guess who is and who isn't or just take one's word that they are?
If they have other documents that prove their citizenship then what is the problem? I have all the respect in the world for the plight of our black Americans and the discrimination they suffered in the past. That has nothing to do with it. You can either prove you are a citizen or you can't. Are we suppose to guess who is and who isn't or just take one's word that they are?
We you specifically said birth certificate. None of those people would be able to vote under your rule.
Right off the top of my head I know of SC, Rhode Island, Georgia and Tenn. I am sure YOU are capable of doing your own research to find others.
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Originally Posted by Katiana
It doesn't matter what else you need ID for. People should not be charged money to vote. If the states have to give out all these free BCs (to get the "free" ID) how much is this going to cost them? There is no data that there is a major fraud problem with people voting in person.
It depends on what is considered "major".
Do a search on voter fraud. I'd bet there is a whole lot more there then you realized.
Also, keep in mind false registration is considered voter fraud.
Do a search on voter fraud. I'd bet there is a whole lot more there then you realized.
Also, keep in mind false registration is considered voter fraud.
There have been several, if not a dozen, threads here on CD about voter ID laws in the past few days, many with links about how little voter fraud there actually is.
This thread is not about false registration. These voter ID laws would not address that, either.
Last edited by CaseyB; 03-19-2012 at 02:14 PM..
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