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Old 03-19-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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That would be because I can drive across the USA and every state honors my driver's license. Deflection fail.
Huh?

The fact that you CAN drive across the country and every state honors your license is exactly the point I am making.

If each state honors your states drivers license, it should ALSO honor your States CC license.

Your reading comprehension FAILS
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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I live in northeastern PA. We border NJ and NY - both with very stringent firearm laws. Many people, from PA and other states, have had problems because they felt that NJ or NY should honor their carry permits. There were two recent cases in NYC with tourist that got in trouble with their carry permits.

I know that NJ also has a restrictions on hollow point ammunition. This could be a problem - even if this new legislation passed. It is possible that people carrying, with the wrong ammunition, could still break local laws.

I support this legislation. I also think that it will be difficult to surmount all of the problems. I wish that our laws were uniform.
There are many examples where different states have different laws but accept each others travelers.

Take car registration. Some states have annual inspections. Some do not but, you don't have to get your car inspected if you travel through an inspection state.

In SC you do NOT need tags for a utility trailer, yet I can tow my trailer in NC which requires tags for the same trailer.

In MD you have to get an emissions inspection annually. Where I live there is no such law yet I can drive through MD and do not have to get its emission inspection

I don't know if it is still true but, at one time different states had different age laws for when you could get a drivers license.

I do know states have different driving restriction for teenagers.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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Looks like at least Quick Enough believes that the 2nd amendment says govt can't take away the people's right to own and carry a gun, except felons.

Anybody else?
I didn't say that. I gave 1 example. There are others, such as if you become mentally unstable. I am sure there are others that are acceptable.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Looks like at least Quick Enough believes that the 2nd amendment says govt can't take away the people's right to own and carry a gun, except felons.

Anybody else?
I didn't say that. I gave 1 example. There are others, such as if you become mentally unstable. I am sure there are others that are acceptable.
So, it looks like at least Quick Enough believes that the 2nd amendment says govt can't take away the people's right to own and carry a gun, except for felons, the mentally unstable, and a few exceptions to be named later.

And nobody else dares to comment on it at all.

Game, set, .....
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So, everybody here believes the 2nd amendment does NOT mean that government can't restrict or take away the right to own and carry a gun?
Kind of a convoluted question................

All of our God given rights can be restricted or taken away by government; Liberty immediately comes to mind- ie convicted criminals

Right or wrong, all rights can and are restricted by various laws and court rulings.

I believe that the government can and should restrict or take away the right under very specific and limited circumstances.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: so cal
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So, it looks like at least Quick Enough believes that the 2nd amendment says govt can't take away the people's right to own and carry a gun, except for felons, the mentally unstable, and a few exceptions to be named later.

And nobody else dares to comment on it at all.

Game, set, .....
Whats your problem Acorn, fall too far from the patriot tree? The 2nd Amendment protects the peoples rights to keep and bear arms.

The Feds later added the laws restricting Felons and mentally unstable from owning firearms. I have no proplem with this provision. I only care about law abiding citizens with no mental issues.

For those in favor of the passage this bill please e-mail your senators. I know it may not help but we have to try.

Point
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The 2nd Amendment protects the peoples rights to keep and bear arms.
Sounds good.

So, how does that comport with many state's laws that prohibit people WITHOUT felony records, mental instability etc., from carrying a concealed weapon, unless they apply for a permit and get "approved"?
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: so cal
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Sounds good.

So, how does that comport with many state's laws that prohibit people WITHOUT felony records, mental instability etc., from carrying a concealed weapon, unless they apply for a permit and get "approved"?
Nice obscure, rarely used word. Why not say, harmonize or behave? Anyway, many state laws conflict with federal laws. I am sure you know plenty of examples so I will not bother to list them. This country's laws are not perfect by any means but we must try to retain the laws that helped found this country.
Federal laws tend to trickle down to the state level. As you know the saying, " sh_t runs downhill." We need these bills passed on the federal level before states will take notice.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:45 PM
 
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That's right. Says so right in the 2nd amendment, which reads:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed except by officials in Utah who don't want to allow yahoos from Georgia who have no training at all to carry there."

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BTW, how did the framers in 1791 know to write it that way when Utah wasn't even a state at the time?
Did you miss that part? "Well regulated" means I am trained and have demonstrated that I can shoot a gun straight.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:49 PM
 
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I persoally fvor states havig agreements based o that state rules and acceptig the other states. I do not want feds bthe mix on this because they can then set the standards also.States rights and agrreements are best ;IMO.
I don't see a problem now. You can get a Utah permit and a Nevada permit and carry in every state but Illiniois as far as I know.
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