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View Poll Results: How did your newspaper deal with the Doonesbury strip concerning abortion/sonograms?
Published on the Comics Page 4 28.57%
Published on OP/ED or Other Page 3 21.43%
Not Published With Explanation 5 35.71%
Not Published-No Explanation 2 14.29%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-19-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The RWNJ's KNOW the ONE RIGHT WAY and do not want anyone to see of think of an alternate.

The men think that shame will change a woman's mind about having an abortion. I expect they will then call for shunning if shame did not work. So what? The woman will be shunned anyway for getting pregnant while the guy will be congratulated for being so virile.

I suggest any woman in that situation move away and find some real friends.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The Atlanta Journal Constitution is running it in its usual spot in the "Living" section without comment.

My local paper is carrying it in the usual place on the editorial page without comment.

I have an objection to referring to the ultrasound procedure as "rape", however, even satirically. It is, after all, a legitimate medical procedure.
Shoving anything up me without my consent is rape.
I don't care who's doing the shoving.

The state certainly has no right to do so.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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I've been a fan of Doonesbury in the past, but haven't kept up with it for the last few years. Personally, I think it's more appropriate for the Editorial/Opinion pages than the funny pages.

As far as his portrayal of this particular controversy, he is spot on.

Last edited by quigboto; 03-19-2012 at 12:53 PM.. Reason: moar words
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: North America
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Shoving anything up me without my consent is rape.
I don't care who's doing the shoving.

The state certainly has no right to do so.

Brava!
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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The Atlanta Journal Constitution is running it in its usual spot in the "Living" section without comment.

My local paper is carrying it in the usual place on the editorial page without comment.

I have an objection to referring to the ultrasound procedure as "rape", however, even satirically. It is, after all, a legitimate medical procedure.
The Justice Department defines rape as, ""penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim,"

There is no legitimate reason to require such a procedure. It is shaming, pure and simple, and it is rape if the woman does not consent.
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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Doonesbury is still being published?
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Old 03-19-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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You were expecting facts in Democrat talking points?
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
The Atlanta Journal Constitution is running it in its usual spot in the "Living" section without comment.

My local paper is carrying it in the usual place on the editorial page without comment.

I have an objection to referring to the ultrasound procedure as "rape", however, even satirically. It is, after all, a legitimate medical procedure.
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Sex is a legitimate social activity but not when it's forced. I haven't seen the strip but I can see the analogy, being forced or agreed to makes all the difference as well as the control issues involved.
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Shoving anything up me without my consent is rape.
I don't care who's doing the shoving.

The state certainly has no right to do so.
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The Justice Department defines rape as, ""penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim,"

There is no legitimate reason to require such a procedure. It is shaming, pure and simple, and it is rape if the woman does not consent.
In the context of the strip, there is an implied consent for the ultrasound on the the part of the woman undergoing it. If she did not consent, it would not be performed.

I totally agree that a woman who desires an abortion should not be required to undergo an ultrasound in order to obtain the abortion.

There are people who are fostering a movement against "medical rape", which includes the unpleasant but necessary examinations done to follow a woman in labor and to deliver a baby. I am afraid any implication that a vaginal ultrasound is "rape" will add fuel to that fire.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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I totally agree that a woman who desires an abortion should not be required to undergo an ultrasound in order to obtain the abortion.
Good for you. I'm sure as a licensed OB/GYN that you recommend that to all of your patients.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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Shoving anything up me without my consent is rape.
I don't care who's doing the shoving.

The state certainly has no right to do so.
If you want an abortion and the law says you have to have one of these things, you are CONSENTING to it!
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Good for you. I'm sure as a licensed OB/GYN that you recommend that to all of your patients.
I am not sure what your comment means.

If I were a licensed OB/GYN I would recommend what to whom?
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