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So, you shoot a person on the street and transport the body onto your property and then you walk free. Is that the way you like it?
There is a way to break law, but the point is that if you break the law, you pay the penalty. Zimmerman will pay.
The stand your ground law does NOT protect peopel like Zimmerman. That case is a failure of law ENFORCEMENT, not the law itself. Obviously Zimmerman did NOT stand his ground, if he followed the victim.
Take 30 seconds to read the law ---
'However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony...'
Now try being honest and tell me, what does watching, following, leaving the car, have to do with the Law's Words.
'However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony...'
Now try being honest and tell me, what does watching, following, leaving the car, have to do with the Law's Words.
I said the law DOES NOT protect Zimmerman because he did not "stand his gound", but followed and apprehended the victim. Zimmerman was NOT in danger of imminent death or great bodily harm, so how could it protect him? If you take 30 sec to read it, you would know that is true.
Ignorance is no excuse. Homicide is homicide and there is a penalty for it.
How can there be a penalty for the right person when a person's words ("It was self defense") are not invesigated and no forensic evidence is collected?
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No, deaths have not tripled. The only thing which has changed, is who has died, when in the past it was the innocent victims, now it is the criminals who attacked the innocent victim. The number you refer to is the number of "justifiable homicide". Justifiable is the key word there.
What constitutes "justifiable"? A person's word?
According to the stats they have tripled.
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The authors are standing behind it saying it does NOT protect Zimmerman. I wish cops had law degrees, but they don't, but perhaps that is the reason we have lawyers to deal with the legal issues
I said the law DOES NOT protect Zimmerman because he did not "stand his gound", but followed and apprehended the victim. Zimmerman was NOT in danger of imminent death or great bodily harm, so how could it protect him? If you take 30 sec to read it, you would know that is true.
The law is irrelevant up to the point that a person might reasonably believe that deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.
That point didn't exist while gz was in his car or following tm. Whatever confrontation took place is when the law's words matter. IF gz was being beaten by tm and 'reasonably believed' shooting was necessary to prevent great bodily harm, bambam is justified under the law's words.
BTW, the syg author basically admitted the law is flawed when he said, "If you want to pass something, pass something that limits their ability to pursue and confront people." Maybe he didn't intend to protect someone like gz, but intent doesn't override plain language.
The law is irrelevant up to the point that a person might reasonably believe that deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.
That point didn't exist while gz was in his car or following tm. Whatever confrontation took place is when the law's words matter. IF gz was being beaten by tm and 'reasonably believed' shooting was necessary to prevent great bodily harm, bambam is justified under the law's words.
BTW, the syg author basically admitted the law is flawed when he said, "If you want to pass something, pass something that limits their ability to pursue and confront people." Maybe he didn't intend to protect someone like gz, but intent doesn't override plain language.
Ok lets just pass an overriding law that no one can leave their houses or wipe their butts unless told to do so by some government agency.
Oh wait we did that, Obummercare
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Zimmerman's mother is peruvian so one could say he's as white as Barrack Obama. He apparently has black relatives so that further weakens the case about it being race based. I'm sure a lot of people are unhappy about that.
Can we focus on the man and not what we wish his motivations were? He apparently desperately wanted to be a police officer and walked around with a chip on his shoulder. Call him a Rambo, a Barney Fife, whatever. He's the type of goof who would likely end up impersonating a police officer. He was a danger to anybody who he felt was "suspicious" and who didn't give him the respect he felt he deserved. The guy has serious issues.
So its back to criticizing the police for apparently bungling the investigation but kudos to the public for stepping up and demanding justice. Now if we can just ignore the medias inserting themselves into the tragedy for their own gain and resist the urge by non involved persons to get two seconds of attention by protesting, maybe justice can get under way.
One thing. I know that I personally will avoid confrontations with belligerent people and not engage if any kind of confrontation with them unless I feel my life or someone elses life is in jeopardy. The criminals should be worried about so many people carrying firearms but unfortunately that also means everyone else will have to be as well.
Read the law. If you are in a place you have a right to be in such as a store shopping or a gas station or a road and someone attacks you and threatens your life and you defend yourself the law acknowledges that you have that right. Before the law even if totally innocent the cops would immediately jail you and you would loose your job and house etc to defend yourself legally. Lawyers loved that situation. A lot of money for them and if you did not have assets to defend yourself then you were just out of luck. All acts of self defense are investigated anyway. IF a law is broken the person is charged. The stand your ground law simply assumes you have the right to protect yourself and that you are innocent until proven guilty. We all as Americans assumed we had that right anyway but we did not. The law corrects that in a legal sense. Work within your state to pass such a law if you do not already have the law.Support those that do.
So what just because he is trying to hide behind a law doesn't mean that its the law that is at issue. Its the actions of the dumb-assed shooter that is at issue. This is being used as a shield to hide behind. Again if the justice system would start standing up for the rights of victims to protect themselves no matter where they are then you wouldn't have to have these type of shield laws.
The case was mishandled, but this type of law gives the lunatic fringe like Zimmerman the bravado that they can actually get away with using their guns. Zimmerman claimed he was defending himself, that does not appear to be the case at all but we will see when the investigation is completed.
This law is not going to cure the problem with victims, it just seems to generate more violence.
In my own state of Vermont recently a woman found a guy crawling in her window, fired warning shots to scare the burglar off, and the police said if the burglar filed a complaint they would charge her. This is the reason states need these self-defense laws. Stupid, idiot police and prosecutors.
Stupid police also bungled the investigation of the FL incident so bad I doubt we'll ever know the truth.
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