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Old 03-20-2012, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Well see that's the thing thats the issue here. I mean mr dooley flashed his gun then shot the guy. So i can't see how he feared for his life when he pulled the gun out in the first place. That's why you have to have standards on WHAT is justifiable. SOmeone pulls a weapon, someone is using a weapon, a group of people attack you, then that all should be cause. But just feeling your life was in danger because you get into an argument, or grab a kid and suffer an ass beating should not be enough to kill someone.
I agree he should be charged with manslaughter - but not murder. Mr. Dooley acted irresponsibly - he should not have drawn his weapon. Mr. James acted foolishly also - he should not have mentioned the weapon - nor lunged for it. There was no malice - hence the manslaughter charge.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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You know that he picked up the weapon as he left the house for the explicit purpose of possibly needing it while he was on the basketball court? How come the newspaper story didn't report that? Oh - I see - you assumed that is what he did.

It is usually best to stick with the known facts instead of injecting your own imagination into the story.
Again, why would he need it?

Why do you need a gun to walk across the street to talk one teenager about not skateboarding on a basketball court?

In the middle of the afternoon in a middle to upper middle class area with other people around?

WHY?
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Again, why would he need it?

Why do you need a gun to walk across the street to talk one teenager about not skateboarding on a basketball court?

In the middle of the afternoon in a middle to upper middle class area with other people around?

WHY?
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Maybe he carried the weapon on his person at all times.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:42 PM
 
Location: North America
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I agree he should be charged with manslaughter - but not murder. Mr. Dooley acted irresponsibly - he should not have drawn his weapon. Mr. James acted foolishly also - he should not have mentioned the weapon - nor lunged for it. There was no malice - hence the manslaughter charge.
Someone pulls a gun at you then you have all reasons to grab it. And he mentioned it because the guy friggin flashed the gun at him. I'm sorry but he should be charged with murder over this.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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If he was walking around with a gun at all times then I would question how stable he was.

He wasn't living in the Liberty City section of Miami. He was in a very nice area outside of Tampa.

Does he need to a gun to go check the mail, put the garbage out at the end of the driveway......that would be a NO.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And he mentioned it because the guy friggin flashed the gun at him.
Where did you read this? Both stories posted by the OP state that James saw the weapon sticking out of Dooley's pants. You are injecting your imagination into the story. Let the facts stand as they are.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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If he was walking around with a gun at all times then I would question how stable he was.

He was in a very nice area outside of Tampa.
The cops in that "very nice area outside of Tampa" walk around with a gun at all times also. Do you question their stability based on that fact?
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:28 AM
 
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The cops in that "very nice area outside of Tampa" walk around with a gun at all times also. Do you question their stability based on that fact?
And airline pilots fly planes. And dentists can drill teeth. Just like LEO they're trained properly.

That's their job.

FL doesn't even require a safety/training class to get a gun.

Not everybody who is licensed to carry a gun should have a gun, just like not everyone who has a driver's license is a good driver.

That's not normal behavior to go outside with a gun, to confront one teenager who is breaking a minor rule of the HOA.

The kid wasn't racing up and down the street on motorcycle putting others at risk, making a lot of noise, etc.

Total overeaction.

And look how turned out.

That's what is so sad, never should have happened in the first place.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Just like LEO they're trained properly.

That's their job.
But the LEO are working in a "nice area outside of Tampa" It isn't Compton or Liberty City- places you mentioned as examples of where being armed might be a good idea. Why should the cops need to be armed if it is such a safe place?
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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But the LEO are working in a "nice area outside of Tampa" It isn't Compton or Liberty City- places you mentioned as examples of where being armed might be a good idea. Why should the cops need to be armed if it is such a safe place?

You're being obtuse on purpose; no sane person would go armed to ask a 14 year-old to stop skateboarding. That little 8 year-old girl saw her father killed, because someone who had no business carrying a gun had one, and used it irrationally. You know...guns don't kill people, people kill people, and too often it's because the shooter wasn't stable to begin with. Insisting that all gun owners are sane is silly...the law of averages tells us that the opposite is true. To be continued, as it's bed time.
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