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Old 03-22-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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Abortion legislation endangers people. It makes it legal to kill them doesn't it? Yep.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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So your concern for the living ends when they are actually born? Got it.
So all you can do is make 1 line straw man arguments? Got it.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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Abortion legislation endangers people. It makes it legal to kill them doesn't it? Yep.
The belief that embryos and fetuses are people is largely based on religious beliefs. And if they are people, then they die by the billions, because mother nature "aborts" many more pregnancies than doctors do.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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No, that wasn't my question at all. I didn't ask you if you could be a sleuth and do whatever it takes to figure out who got the last abortion. I asked for data from the bill that would definitively point to the person who got the latest abortion.
And I quite clearly pointed out how that could definitively happen, using this device we call an example, which was extrapolated from the language that's in the actual bill.

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The Privacy Act stipulates that no personal information can be put into the public domain. This bill does not/did not put private information into the public's hand.
Without fudging words and using dodgy semantics, can you please point out just how this information is not private?

(A) Identification of the physician who performed the abortion and the physician's office, clinic, hospital or other facility where the abortion was performed;
(B) The county and state in which the woman resides;
(C) The woman's age, race and marital status;
(D) The number of prior pregnancies and prior abortions of the woman;
(F) The gestational age in number of weeks of the unborn child at the time of the abortion;
(G) The type of procedure performed or prescribed and the date of the abortion; and
(H) Pre-existing medical conditions of the woman that would complicate pregnancy, if any, and, if known, any medical complication that resulted from the abortion itself.

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If you want to be a private investigator, go for it. But the law was not written for private investigators. It was written to include language that met Privacy Act requirements. Sleuthing is not a consideration, nor should it be.
What language is that? Specifically back up your claim and point to it, please. Do you mean the part where it says you're not to name names?

The list above is the exact data they would have required published, should the bill have remained in tact.

Let's make something perfectly clear, I don't want to be a PI, but you know that someone will. You know it. Don't be so absurd.

And, if you have to be either a sleuth or private detective to figure out who the identity of the woman in my example is using the data they will post about about a person, then you aren't very bright, honestly. (Of course I use the generic you here.)
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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This legislation would have endangered people. That's why this particular section was REMOVED. You may not be able to protect everyone from everything through legislation, but legislators have an obligation not to endanger individuals through legislation.
Exactly.

What reason is there to name the doctors and the clinics, other than to make them targets for "pro-life" radicals?
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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"You can't protect everyone from everything through legislation."

You had to go and burst their bubble.
Dude, YOU were the one's legislating.

I don't see why ANY of this legislation is necessary. But you all go right ahead and introduce yet more of it, which for some reason is okay when it suits YOU.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Shame on them that would shame women for making their own descisions. But that is the point is it not. We cannot allow women to control their bodies or they will start controlling their lives and all of us men will be left out in the cold. Terrifying.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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So all you can do is make 1 line straw man arguments? Got it.
The person I was responding to said they were against abortion and goverment assistance. These types of regulations are nothing more than shaming and manipulating women so they won't have an abortion. It does not change the circumstances that led them to believe an abortion was the best choice for them in their given situation. How do you propose aiding these women who are now going to be having babies they did not plan on having, and for whatever reason is pertient to them, they felt they should not have? You can't have it both ways.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Dude, YOU were the one's legislating.

I don't see why ANY of this legislation is necessary. But you all go right ahead and introduce yet more of it, which for some reason is okay when it suits YOU.
Let them.....it will just push thousands upon thousands of women and the men who support their rights.....away from the Republican Party.
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Old 03-22-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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The belief that embryos and fetuses are people is largely based on religious beliefs. And if they are people, then they die by the billions, because mother nature "aborts" many more pregnancies than doctors do.
So your position is that the "fetus" is not alive until it gets the old spanking from the doctor?
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