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The free movement of people through borders is a free market principle. I find it hypocritical why some who boast about free market this and free market that when they are the same ones who wouldn't throw a fit of an idea of opening up our borders.
Then get rid of social welfare. You want open borders then don't hand out government money.
The free market involves taxes. Open borders does not.
You can have sovereignty with open borders. As long as someone doesn't show a risk to national security, let them through.
Europe does it. It doesn't have a problem with it.
Having done a lot of work in Europe, I can tell you that they have a lot of complaints about it. Specifically, it has made it easy for criminal elements from former Eastern Bloc countries to move through Europe and expand their operation. In northern Europe, someone can steal a car and have it on a ferry and in another country very quickly. The more prosperous countries had an influx of people who aren't qualified for many jobs, and they generally haven't served as an asset to the new society.
Having done a lot of work in Europe, I can tell you that they have a lot of complaints about it. Specifically, it has made it easy for criminal elements from former Eastern Bloc countries to move through Europe and expand their operation. In northern Europe, someone can steal a car and have it on a ferry and in another country very quickly. The more prosperous countries had an influx of people who aren't qualified for many jobs, and they generally haven't served as an asset to the new society.
With respect to the OP...they do not understand this! I am not into guns, religion, pickup trucks etc. I am not some right wing guy who flys the flag every time he gets the chance. But I will say this. We are not Europe! Most of Europe does not respect freedom and liberty to the extent that the USA does.
The free movement of people through borders is a free market principle. I find it hypocritical why some who boast about free market this and free market that when they are the same ones who wouldn't throw a fit of an idea of opening up our borders.
Because each nation has their own laws or lack of laws.
In our case they are being broken by illegals with ID theft, no insurace to drive, no liscence to drive, taking work away from others without taxes being paid and lots of EBT going around with lots of anchor babies.
The free movement of people through borders is a free market principle. I find it hypocritical why some who boast about free market this and free market that when they are the same ones who wouldn't throw a fit of an idea of opening up our borders.
I'm not all for opening up our borders entirely, for the sake of protection, but for employment, absolutely.
The free movement of people through borders is a free market principle. I find it hypocritical why some who boast about free market this and free market that when they are the same ones who wouldn't throw a fit of an idea of opening up our borders.
How do open borders and foreign national's consuming social benefits equate to a free market? Free market means the freedom to do business, not the freedom to suck resources at the expense of the host country. It isn't that hard to understand, really.
The free movement of people through borders is a free market principle. I find it hypocritical why some who boast about free market this and free market that when they are the same ones who wouldn't throw a fit of an idea of opening up our borders.
These are often the same people who wouldn't open their neighborhood to low-income housing. Why should borders be any different?
I think the OP is right. I've contemplated this before and come to the conclusion that while moderation is of course possible on both sides, the two go hand in hand. Many of the modern day problems with immigration would be substantially less problematic under a freer market as well.
There is however no incompatibility between a relatively free market and some type of restriction on immigration, as long as those restrictions are not put in place with the intent of limiting immigration simply for the sake of limiting immigration. I will leave the fantasies of a completely lawless and tax-free society to the anarchists. Free market is a relative term OP.
I think the OP is right. I've contemplated this before and come to the conclusion that while moderation is of course possible on both sides, the two go hand in hand. Many of the modern day problems with immigration would be substantially less problematic under a freer market as well.
There is however no incompatibility between a relatively free market and some type of restriction on immigration, as long as those restrictions are not put in place with the intent of limiting immigration simply for the sake of limiting immigration. I will leave the fantasies of a completely lawless and tax-free society to the anarchists. Free market is a relative term OP.
There is one simple way to make a big impact on illegal immigration. Allow illegal immigrants to sue their employers for paying under the minimum wage, poor working conditions under OSHA, working over the government limit of hours per day and week. Right now as it stands we have a form of slavery in which the illegal immigrants are taken advantage of and the American worker is put out of a job by people who should not even be in the country.
This will of course not fix the border which needs top security (including a wall) to prevent criminals, drugs, drug cartels and terrorists from comming in. The issue of how many people should be allowed in legally needs many factors. Here are some I have thought of.
A) Resources. More people means more demand for gasoline, electricity, schools, etc. Some seem to forget this point.
B) Unemployment. Why would you add more people when you do not have enough work for those here now?
C) The future costs to medicare and social security. Some will say that growth population is the way to save SS and medicare and that immigration is the way for that growth. But what happens when they retire? That then goes back to point A. Do we want quality of life or quantity in the country?
The point is that there are valid reasons to question the number comming in. Being allowed in the USA is a privilage and not a right.
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