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One more time, and I will say it slowly. EASY is not the point. EASY is not referenced here. It is NOT easy.
I left and moved 5 states on exactly $50. in my 20's, so yes, it CAN be done. I did it!
Whoo frickin' hoo, a 20yr old did it, so everyone should be able to huh?!
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Congratulations. Not everyone can. End of story.
Not everyone is WILLING TO.
No, not everyone CAN, there is a difference.
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Not everyone is 20 years old with zero commitments.
Exactly! I sure can't move my family ??? miles away on the CHANCE that we might be able to do better somewhere else, and that is onlt if everything at the new place would be similar to where we currently are.
That would mean new schools for ALL three of us (assuming we could find a place that offered our degree plans, and all credits transfered), plus a nice CHEAP neighbourhood, more driving to see the step daughter for weekends, etc...
The problem is most(not saying all) of them are way overpaid and do more sitting around and figuring out how to work as little as possible than actually working hard because they are protected by their unions.
How do you know this, exactly? Have you personally observed the crews in every city/county around the country?
I've been a public employee for over five years, and see little-to-nothing of this laziness people are always talking about. Being "union" doesn't mean all that much, and certainly doesn't cancel out our inherent work ethic... I don't go to work every morning thinking of ways to slack off, in fact I usually think of ways to get everything done as efficiently as possible. Not only because I have pride in my job, but (despite what some people think) I can always get fired for poor performance! Union workers can still be good, honest workers - and I'm getting sick of people like you saying otherwise.
How do you know this, exactly? Have you personally observed the crews in every city/county around the country?
I've been a public employee for over five years, and see little-to-nothing of this laziness people are always talking about. Being "union" doesn't mean all that much, and certainly doesn't cancel out our inherent work ethic... I don't go to work every morning thinking of ways to slack off, in fact I usually think of ways to get everything done as efficiently as possible. Not only because I have pride in my job, but (despite what some people think) I can always get fired for poor performance! Union workers can still be good, honest workers - and I'm getting sick of people like you saying otherwise.
I can't speak for every town but most of our small towns here have the same problem as we do. Our road crew guys start work at 6:45 am. They sit around in the office for about an hour, then drive around town in town trucks on town gas for a little less than two hours. Then every single one of them can be found every morning from 9-9:30 at the local hangout for their "coffee break." Then they do go out a get a little work done, for about two hours or so, and often can be found doing private property tasks. When they do accomplish a task, it takes three of them to do simple things like trim branches along the side of the road. In the winter, when they are supposed to be plowing, on the clock, they often come up to the end of our road and nap for a couple of hours. These issues have been brought before our selectmen at town meetings and the community is flat out told that they can't get it changed because of the union. When I was on school committee, we had an elementary school with a library that couldn't be used because we didn't have a librarian. Parents offered to step up and volunteer to run it so the kids could use the resources, and we were told this could not be done because according to the union rules only a certified librarian(whatever the heck that was) could catalog books and therefore the library could not be used unless we hired one. When I suggested that the high school librarian getting paid $65K/yr be sent to the elementary school one day a week so that our kids could use the library(which keep in mind the schools are about a 1/4 mile apart) we were told this would also be against union rules. I also grew up outside of Philly, where unions LOVE to strike. I can't even count the number of times the teachers union went on strike when I was a kid, and they were some of the highest paid teachers in the country. Then, when I lived in FL, there was a teacher that basically sat around and told us he wasn't going to teach us, when parents and other teachers advocated to replace him, they were told he was tenured and because of the union they couldn't get rid of him without a huge cost. So, no, I can't speak for every single town and every signle worker, but having had personal experiences in 3 different states along with the many other stories nationally of nonsense like this, it's obviously not an isolated issue.
The first thing that came to my mind was citizens with emotional or pyschological issues. I beleive those individuals should be given some time to deal with their issues before they return to work. I think that should come under the recommendation of a professional however, not the discretion of the individual.
The first thing that came to my mind was citizens with emotional or pyschological issues. I beleive those individuals should be given some time to deal with their issues before they return to work. I think that should come under the recommendation of a professional however, not the discretion of the individual.
The overwhelming majority of people with emotional/psych issues can put in a good day's work for the community to help earn their bread. What are they going to be weeping while picking up trash or painting over graffiti? Plus this professional recommendation thing is somewhat scammy just doctor shop until you get the results you want, if you can't do that then hire an attorney who specializes in it and they'll direct you to the appropriate doc they've got a business relationship with.
I think only the first 30 days of unemployment should be completely open, after that should be a 20 hours/week community service to get that check. That still leaves time during the week to job hunt.
The first thing that came to my mind was citizens with emotional or pyschological issues. I beleive those individuals should be given some time to deal with their issues before they return to work. I think that should come under the recommendation of a professional however, not the discretion of the individual.
I think people have to get over the notion that working and doing something with yourself is harmful. Work is great therapy.
Why would someone prefer to sit around wallowing in pity? Staring at 4 walls doing nothing isn't going to cure what ails you.
Should able-bodied, able-minded people who do not have any other obligations and nonetheless refuse to work be entitled to a minimal standard of living, by government support if necessary?
Not only no, but hell no.
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