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Old 03-28-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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The math 1/2 white and 1/2 hispanic = white does not necessarily work.


It's like saying 1/2 white and 1/2 Canadian = white.

Sometimes yes, a lot of times, no.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:57 AM
 
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Most hispanics are mixed race. They have African slave roots with white European and Indian. If we still followed the "one drop" rule, most hispanics would be categorized as black.
There ya go.

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Race always was and still is pretty arbitrary. The number of races is increasing and more and more ethnicity is seen as separate races.

The problem is that race -- like in this case -- can be used for political reasons. It comes down to the fact that only whites can be charged with hate crimes which is why the media is trying to portray Zimmerman as a white man when he clearly is not. If he's a Hispanic and Jewish, then he's a victim himself, cannot be a racist.
I don't think that has anything to do with this case. There may have been an inference that a nonblack person - even though he was nonwhite as well - had motivation to see a young black male in a hoodie as a threat. I see nothing wrong with that inference, as it is obvious that this was and is true. You cannot deny that a 17-year-old who was shot to death is indeed a victim.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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Even 100% hispanic equals white, because hispanics are white.
Only if you are defining Hispanics as those from Spain or Europe only.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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Only if you are defining Hispanics as those from Spain or Europe only.
If we must, isn't that logical, to define Hispanics as the ethnicity of people from Hispania/Iberia? It isn't defining a race in any case.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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Most Hispanics from Latin America look white to me (regardless of their tan), if I had to attribute them to one of the three races (which I'm glad I don't). They look more like southern Europeans than like Chinese to me.
Bolivia and Peru are the only Hispanic countries where native Americans are the largest ethnic groups, in all other Hispanic countries people are utterly mixed (mostly of Europeans and the old Siberian stock).
You must not have spent time in Latin America. Most Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Panamanians, Venezuelans, Dominicans and Colombians are either black, mestizo (Native+White), mulatto (Black+White) or triracial. Most Mexicans and Central Americans are mestizo. Most people in Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay are Native or Mestizo. Only in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile are whites in the majority.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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It's the same with Arabs. Today it is a rather wishy-washy term, but originally Arabs were not black at all, they were just like Hebrews. Now you have Sudanese calling themselves Arabs, but ethnically Arabs from the Middle East don't consider them Arabs. Just because someone speaks Arabic and believes in Allah, doesn't mean they are Arabs. Actually many Arabs are quite racist and look down on black people.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:08 AM
 
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you don't know many hispanics, do you? most of the whites in latin america are something other than spaniard.
Nah, I don't. I just happen to be one. If you include Brazil, yes, most of the whites are not Spanish, though there are a few there as well. But in any event, in Spanish-speaking countries, yes, most whites are of Spanish origins. There are also lots of descendants of Italian, German, British, Portuguese, Ashkenazic Jewish, and French immigrants in Latin America.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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You must not have spent time in Latin America. Most Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Panamanians, Venezuelans, Dominicans and Colombians are either black, mestizo (Native+White), mulatto (Black+White) or triracial. Most Mexicans and Central Americans are mestizo. Most people in Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and Paraguay are Native or Mestizo. Only in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile are whites in the majority.
Cubans? They are mostly mixed or white even.
There is a nice photo on the Cuba Wiki page:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Rio_-_Cuba.JPG

To me those are two white kids and one black kid...
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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Only if you are defining Hispanics as those from Spain or Europe only.
Their decendents, like Zimmerman's father. Many are mixed with black, indian etc, but vast majority are considered 'white'.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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If we must, isn't that logical, to define Hispanics as the ethnicity of people from Hispania/Iberia? It isn't defining a race in any case.
Well, you are right in that the term does not define race. But it does define culture or ethnicity. Culture in that it is tied in with language. Those who speak Spanish, or their descendants in the US who may or may not speak Spanish, are known as Hispanics. This could be people of African and Indigenous and even Asian, Arab and Polynesian descent, AND all mixes of the above - not just those of Iberian Spanish descent.
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