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Old 03-28-2012, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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The baby is a baby while it is inside the womb. I support the abortion insurance proposal.
Let me get this right...the baby gets aborted and the baby can collect an insurance pay out ? How can that be..the baby would not be alive to collect? Does the person who agreed to abort get the money? I'm confused....

 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Calling babies "fetuses" is a method to dehumanize them and avoid the damage to conscience that occurs when a life is taken. The "fetus" is a human life - as evidenced by the 100% of babies who are born alive who are human beings. The genetic information that makes them a human being is present in the uterus. Denying the humanity of a "fetus" is just a way of splicing definition to make abortion seem "right". It is not right - it is homicide.
So what do you call it when people using in vitro freeze their embryos?

Wouldn't that qualify as child abuse?

Should those parents be prosecuted?

Instead of aborting....how about I just remove the fetus and freeze it? Would that be OK?
 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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If the child is white yes, if the child is a minority the rates of adoption are much lower Adoption USA: Race, ethnicity, and gender. And that's the first i have ever heard that there is a wait list for special needs children, as i have always read they have a hard time placing them.
Keep in mind that we are talking about "babies" not the children in the system that are impossible to adopt because they are "work count" for state services - been there and tried that. If the state gets a child, they hold onto them. I think a few years back when I called about the possibility of adopting another infant with DS, they had 60 families on the waiting list there. You'll also find that when adopting babies, many people become color-blind.
 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Instead of aborting....how about I just remove the fetus and freeze it? Would that be OK?
Why would you do this?
 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Let me get this right...the baby gets aborted and the baby can collect an insurance pay out ? How can that be..the baby would not be alive to collect? Does the person who agreed to abort get the money? I'm confused....
This proposal is just another example of how pro-lifers refuse to deal with the realities of life.

Ya know, like people should just stop having sex if they do not want a baby.
 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Can someone tell me which dictionary is calling a "fetus" anything other than a developing mammal especially a human being? I looked at several and while they do not call it a "baby", they call it a developing mammal and not a collection of cells. Termination of a developing mammal sure sounds a lot like killing a mammal.
 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Why would you do this?
The same reason I would abort....because I do not want to endure pregnancy and childbirth and because I do not want a child.

Soooooo.....just remove it, freeze it, and forget about it.

Now, answer my question.

Is freezing embryos child abuse?
 
Old 03-28-2012, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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And neither can a fetus.
Don't like the term fetus...any more than I like the term Capital Punishment...as if the state or individuals have the right to end life at any stage. Abortion is a punishment....whether a person is innocent or not...does not matter...deadly punishment does not correct the person..born or un-born...It simply get rid of them...and the supposed problem...Punitive measures are to correct not to make someone disappear...where is the profit in that? BOTH...are done out of spite.
 
Old 03-28-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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Life begins at conception.
So Mother Nature is a murderer. Because millions of fertilized eggs never even get to implantation, and millions of other embryos and fetuses are spontaneously aborted each year. Why doesn't life begin with the egg? It's human genetic material. We harvest eggs to store for women who want to wait until later to become pregnant, and harvested eggs are donated to women who have fertility issues. Why do you arbitrarily decide that fertilization is the beginning of human life?
 
Old 03-28-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Life begins at conception.
So, it should be viable at conception.
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