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"No government except the police, courts of law, and the armed services.No regulation of anything by any government. So, why would there be any need for police, military or a justice system if the government had no regulation over anything?
Those regulations would be known as laws.
So, the opening posit is internally self-contradictory.
Rand is pretty clear. The primary purpose of government is as a means of protection against those that would initiate the use of force.
The police are to provide protection from individuals that initiate physical force.
The military to provide protection from other nations that would do so.
It can be good, or bad. You being a part of it, should know.
It's bad here. Bad anywhere. I guess if you consider the change worthwhile than then some risk assessment is in order.
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couldn't care less about whether you take my points as valid or not. Just do a little more than babbling mindlessly about things, and you'd be fine and engaging in a discussion.
And I could care less if you see what i am saying as "mindless babbling" or not. Don't cherry pick my arguments and we will be fine.
If you think that a government body of 1200 people can efficiently cater to over 150,000,000 American adults preferences...then I don't know what to tell you.
If this is the case, you clearly do not champion the individuals realism of prosperity. You would rather force somebody to buy into your way of living.
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Are you naturally drawn to be a part of the society? If your answer is yes, we're done. If your answer is no, then why the heck?
Rand is pretty clear. The primary purpose of government is as a means of protection against those that would initiate the use of force.
The police are to provide protection from individuals that initiate physical force.
The military to provide protection from other nations that would do so.
It's bad here. Bad anywhere. I guess if you consider the change worthwhile than then some risk assessment is in order.
No need for risk assessment to acknowledge the human tendency to naturally lean towards being a part of collective (society).
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If you think that a government body of 1200 people can efficiently cater to over 150,000,000 American adults preferences...then I don't know what to tell you.
Is there a basis of this ridiculous argument on your part? Don't try to tell me something that you're using for deflection. Keep your counts per capita in check for now... we haven't been discussing that.
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Well, it would certainly dispel the myth America is a Christian country.
Ironically it seems the Christian Right are the ones most likely to embrace Rand as anything but a novelist.
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Pretty hypocritical coming from a woman who took Social Security and Medicare.
She's describing Somalia, the Libertarian paradise. With GOP darling, Paul Ryan, calling her his primary political influence, it's no wonder the GOP is proposing a budget to kill medicare.It makes me think Ayn Rand was a hack writer who cashed in on the young Baby Boomers just as they reached college age.
Paul Ryan is the first piece of trash that needs to be swept out the GOP door IF they ever clean their own house up.
No need for risk assessment to acknowledge the human tendency to naturally lean towards being a part of collective (society).
Again.....you are strawmanning if you think I am arguing this.
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Is there a basis of this ridiculous argument on your part? Don't try to tell me something that you're using for deflection. Keep your counts per capita in check for now... we haven't been discussing that.
The basis is that you, based off of your CD rhetoric, place emphasis on the collective as opposed to the individual......because you believe in a universal good.
It's really one or the other....you believe in a universal good OR you believe 51 should dictate to 49....by force of the state.
Liberalism ends in Totalitarianism.
Conservatism ends in Ayn Rand's vision of anarchy.
Ot the two, I will take the latter.
That being said, as a society, we have put certain things in place that we agree upon. But, those are at the consent of the governed. The problem is that things are expanded beyond scope, regulated beyond reason, and implemented beyond the mandate.
At that point, they are no longer benefits to society, but rather a system of control imposed upon it.
actually a balance between the two is what is needed. Nazi Germany is a perfect example. it may been called the National Socialist Party but that is because Hitler ran on that platform and when he was elected he busted all unions, kicked out all socialists, Jews, and any other opposing viewpoint. He was a hard core Fascist capitalist through and through.
The only thing that stopped the USA falling into fascism in the 1950s with McCarthyism was those US citizens that strongly defend that written constitution.
The USA is only ever one election away from a dictatorship.
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. --Sinclair Lewis, 1935
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -- James Madison
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied." -Thomas Jefferson
actually a balance between the two is what is needed. Nazi Germany is a perfect example. it may been called the National Socialist Party but that is because Hitler ran on that platform and when he was elected he busted all unions, kicked out all socialists, Jews, and any other opposing viewpoint. He was a hard core Fascist capitalist through and through.
The only thing that stopped the USA falling into fascism in the 1950s with McCarthyism was those US citizens that strongly defend that written constitution.
The USA is only ever one election away from a dictatorship.
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. --Sinclair Lewis, 1935
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -- James Madison
"If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied." -Thomas Jefferson
At that point, they are no longer benefits to society, but rather a system of control imposed upon it.
I agree with everything you said but this is what resonates with me the most....
Once the perception of a collective is in place it just becomes a power grab. A state is inherently evil....it seeks absolute power. Look at the bills that hit the floor today....none of them are pure. They are stuffed with pork, hidden agendas, piggyback legislation, etc. etc. but we galvanize to them because they serve certain blocs interests.
Legislation should not be target marketing.
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