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I know you just want to punish women for having enjoyable sex(jealous) but YOU can't change human nature....humans have had sex since the begining of humans and will continue to do so....
And it IS responsible to have an abortion if you don't want to have a baby.
That's right. People are going to have sex, and nothing anybody can say or do will keep that from happening, so it is best to forget about abstinence as a viable option. Kids are not going to remember that lesson when the hormones rage. It makes a lot more sense to realize this and act accordingly than to bury your head in the sand and pretend that your kids don't have sex.
They should choose to not have sex if they are not prepared to raise a child. A lot of these unplanned pregnancies are the result of people having sex outside of marriage. Acceptance of abortion is a byproduct of erosion of the family unit. People think of sexual relations as "recreational" and as one poster said - they don't think about the consequences. Then the lady gets pregnant - the man(or boy!) runs in the opposite direction and the lady is left to face a frightening future by herself. I can understand that this fear may lead her to choose abortion as a way to end what now must seem like a nightmare.
The whole predicament however is the end result of a set of decisons informed by a society that is breaking down. We have lost our moral guardrails. Sexual immorality has become acceptable. Children become pregnant and instead of this raising alarms about what has broken down in the family that causes this - it is written off as "kids are going to do that anyway - lets just throw them condoms and hope for the best". This is the wrong approach - it has proven to be a failed strategy. Every baby that is "aborted" is a tragedy that society as a whole has created. To end the tragedy of abortions we need to rebuild our moral guardrails, teach children that marriage and family are sacred, that sex is not a "play activity" and we need a return to people owning their decisions and being accountable for them.
Whether you like it or not, kids are going to have sex and lie to their parents about it. How would you propose to change "moral guardrails?" I can't see how you can teach kids that family is sacred when there is a 50/50 chance that their parents are divorced. I see about the same chance of convincing kids that sex is not a "play activity" as my chances with the MegaMillions jackpot.
As a taxpayer, I refuse for my taxes to pay for you to be able to punish women for having sex you don't approve of.
Eh?
I guess you don't get the idea of the ultrasound or counseling either *sigh* Oh well, you twist it whatever way makes you feel better. I see a woman who wants to kill a fetus (a being that is in no fundamental way different from a newborn baby) and you complaining that she shouldn't have to be bothered with an ultrasound or a single counseling session. Moving on
I guess you don't get the idea of the ultrasound or counseling either *sigh* Oh well, you twist it whatever way makes you feel better. I see a woman who wants to kill a fetus (a being that is in no fundamental way different from a newborn baby) and you complaining that she shouldn't have to be bothered with an ultrasound or a single counseling session. Moving on
You enjoy that moving on thing. The woman on question already knows what an abortion is and has already anguished with her decision. Your ultrasound and counseling session just furthers her pain, cost her time and money and accomplishes nothing but making you feel like you did something for her. (She'll still get the abortion.)
Your point? Yes, welfare and assistance of all kinds are there for the woman to draw upon if she needs it.
And the Repugs would do anything to get rid of those social programs - all while telling women they MUST have a baby, even if they can't afford it or don't want it. As I've said many times before, they only care about fetuses but living children be damned.
They should choose to not have sex if they are not prepared to raise a child.
Do not drive unless you are prepared to have a wreck.
Do not eat greasy foods unless you are prepared to have a heart attack.
Do not go swimming unless you are prepared to drown.
Is that what you're saying? Because, like those activities, there are precautions that can be taken to prevent them from happening. Like all activities, accidents happen.
Nice OP btw. Pro-death. Finally someone understands that I want EVERYONE to get an abortion. No more babies ever.
You enjoy that moving on thing. The woman on question already knows what an abortion is and has already anguished with her decision. Your ultrasound and counseling session just furthers her pain, cost her time and money and accomplishes nothing but making you feel like you did something for her. (She'll still get the abortion.)
Assumptions, assumptions.
Well at least this is a step away from the whole "You're doing it just punish women!" thing...
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Originally Posted by gizmo980
And the Repugs would do anything to get rid of those social programs - all while telling women they MUST have a baby, even if they can't afford it or don't want it. As I've said many times before, they only care about fetuses but living children be damned.
There is certainly some truth to this. They need to make up their minds just what they care about. And if you (yes, mensaguy, general "you" as a taxpayer) aren't willing to pay for something (i.e, better access to birth control and education to help prevent abortion from ever being a thought), you must not care all that much about it. While I don't think it wise to think of it so simply as "People are going to be sexually irresponsible, you can't stop it!", conservatives must realize that the norm today is not what it used to be. As the human race evolves (or "changes", if the word "evolves" is too scary for 'em), we should adapt our responses to this ever-changing world.
Regardless, I know what I care about, and I'm at least willing to put my share of the money down to make it happen.
Kids are not going to remember that lesson when the hormones rage.
An entirely unqualified assertion. There are plenty of kids who practice abstinence until marriage. It isn't some extremely hard thing to do - it does require education, commitment, and a strong moral foundation.
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) but YOU can't change human nature....humans have had sex since the begining of humans and will continue to do so....
) runs in the opposite direction and the lady is left to face a frightening future by herself. I can understand that this fear may lead her to choose abortion as a way to end what now must seem like a nightmare.
