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Old 04-02-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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I tried to discuss this at the AG Web FORUM and all they can do is say ****** this and ****** that.

 
Old 04-02-2012, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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If GZ was carrying his gun concealed, TM would not have known he was going after an armed person.
Zimmerman sounded like he was planning and setting up his own legal defense on the fly. This is obvious when he describes the kid as going for something in his "waist band"...the term sounds contrived

Having only heard the 911 tape once is not enough..it has to be studied...I have listened to it only once...but the first impression is not in favor of Zimmerman...it is overly descriptive.

He seems never to say...the boy has a gun...it's just suggestions that he does....What seems very important to the shooter is to describe a bad guy...that he is black..that is behaving oddly..that he is wearing gangish clothing and so on...Zimmerman clearly had no idea if he kid was good or bad..it was a rapid pre-judging that proved fatal to the young guy...PREJUDICE...Caused this.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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A rapid sequence of events motivated by a pre-judgement caused this...Zimmerman clearly is motivated by a run away imagination...Prejudice led to this killing...Zimmerman was in fantasy land and he was armed..bad combination.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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Zimmerman sounded like he was planning and setting up his own legal defense on the fly. This is obvious when he describes the kid as going for something in his "waist band"...the term sounds contrived

Having only heard the 911 tape once is not enough..it has to be studied...I have listened to it only once...but the first impression is not in favor of Zimmerman...it is overly descriptive.

He seems never to say...the boy has a gun...it's just suggestions that he does....What seems very important to the shooter is to describe a bad guy...that he is black..that is behaving oddly..that he is wearing gangish clothing and so on...Zimmerman clearly had no idea if he kid was good or bad..it was a rapid pre-judging that proved fatal to the young guy...PREJUDICE...Caused this.
You should take your own advice. Most of your description of the 911 call is way off the mark.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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In absolute terms, you're right. It was the cops that screwed up by not charging this guy in the first place. The cops told Zimmerman he could walk, so he walked. I would have walked too........and reflected on how I just got away with murder.
I think you're a few days behind. The cops wanted to arrest gz, but the state attorney declined.

That news hurt the racist cops storyline.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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Now voice recognition experts are saying that it's not GZ's voice that's screaming on the 911 tape. Looks like another self-defense theory bites the dust...

George Zimmerman is not the one crying for help on the 911 tapes, experts say | GlobalPost
Which has started the Zimmerman defenders on a mission to demonize and bash the voice recognition experts.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Hudson County, NJ
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Originally Posted by Oleg Bach View Post
Zimmerman sounded like he was planning and setting up his own legal defense on the fly. This is obvious when he describes the kid as going for something in his "waist band"...the term sounds contrived

Having only heard the 911 tape once is not enough..it has to be studied...I have listened to it only once...but the first impression is not in favor of Zimmerman...it is overly descriptive.

He seems never to say...the boy has a gun...it's just suggestions that he does....What seems very important to the shooter is to describe a bad guy...that he is black..that is behaving oddly..that he is wearing gangish clothing and so on...Zimmerman clearly had no idea if he kid was good or bad..it was a rapid pre-judging that proved fatal to the young guy...PREJUDICE...Caused this.

Seriously re read or listen to the tape again.

your description is very biased and untrue.
 
Old 04-02-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Which has started the Zimmerman defenders on a mission to demonize and bash the voice recognition experts.
Do you have a problem with them analyzing Trayvon Martin's voice against the 911 tapes?
 
Old 04-02-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Which has started the Zimmerman defenders on a mission to demonize and bash the voice recognition experts.
Time for the Martin defenders to bash the Forensic Protection enhanced video.

Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video - Orlando Sentinel

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ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin's shooting.

Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows "what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman's head."

Gutman said the video had been "clarified" by Forensic Protection Inc. Former FBI Special Agent Brad Garrett told ABC that the clearer video shows "marks on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head."
 
Old 04-02-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Time for the Martin defenders to bash the Forensic Protection enhanced video.

Trayvon Martin: ABC enhances George Zimmerman video - Orlando Sentinel

Interesting.

Here's the link to the video:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/geor...artin-16053206

I wish ABC would remove their damn logo though.
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