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Following that line, he would have fallen forward on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman would have had blood all over him from the gun shot wound. Zimmerman would have had to wiggle out from under him. As you say, this isn't Hollywood where you are blown back 10 feet.
I don't think he was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot.
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Originally Posted by needTXinfo
He was shot from front, in chest.
And lying face down makes sense given he was on top of Zimmerman... This isn't Hollywood where a single 9mm blows you back 10 feet. People shot from the front crumple forward all the time.
The point isn't just the conflict of interest. "Owen" is not an expert, either.
Sorry dude, but folks who work as expert witnesses have far more to lose than one payday. You don't risk you or your companies reputation for a quick buck.
as for Owen not being an expert....
From his vitas:
Certificate of Achievement, Electro-Acoustics Synergetic Audio Concepts, 1983
Completion of Voice Identification Course, 1985
Certification as Voice Identification Examiner, July 17, 1986 by the
International Association for Identification,
Life Member Kentucky Division
Life Member New Jersey Division
Audio Engineering Society NY Chapter Board of Directors 1989-1991 1996-1998
Chairman (1991 to Present) Audio Engineering Society WG0-12 Working Group
"Forensic Audio"
The American Board of Forensic Examiners - BCFE, ABFE Fellow, Life Member,
Board Certified, Homeland Security Advisory Board
Chairman Emeritus of the Board of Recorded Evidence - American College of Forensic
Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification
Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992
Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007
Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY
Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.
To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
So, in other words, you believe the Stand Your Ground law covers pursuing someone?
As I have said many times, words have meanings.
Even the sponsors of the law have contested that SYG would NOT cover Zimmerman in this case. I don't understand why it's still being argued. There is only a question of whether this was self defense, or murder.
Then list it. I have stated several times that I don't know what happened that night and I don't pretend to. I have several theories, but like I've said before, I think it could go either way. You seem to be convinced Zimmerman is guilty, and there's nothing that's going to change your mind.
Following that line, he would have fallen forward on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman would have had blood all over him from the gun shot wound. Zimmerman would have had to wiggle out from under him. As you say, this isn't Hollywood where you are blown back 10 feet.
I don't think he was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot.
I think this is the easiest part of the case, verifying GZ and TM positioning prior to the gunshot.
And lying face down makes sense given he was on top of Zimmerman... This isn't Hollywood where a single 9mm blows you back 10 feet. People shot from the front crumple forward all the time.
So, he was on top of zimmerman when he was shot in the chest.
THAT'S why all that blood was all over zimmerman's shirt and jacket (not)!
No amount of cleaning at the scene would have gotten rid of all that blood, which is notorious for smearing and staining.
If he 'crumpled' forward it would have been right on top of zimmerman, no?
Or does the Mighty Zimmerman have the reflexes of a cheetah?
I'm beginning to believe he actually is some kind of superhero.
Then list it. I have stated several times that I don't know what happened that night and I don't pretend to. I have several theories, but like I've said before, I think it could go either way. You seem to be convinced Zimmerman is guilty, and there's nothing that's going to change your mind.
I agree with simpleman here. From what I've seen is a lot of supporters for Trayvon arguing like they know for a fact that Trayvon was just approached, shot, and killed. Others like SimpleMan and myself are not supporting either side as we acknowledge there is lack of evidence, things could have gone either way in regards to the aggressor, and we support a fair trial. Everything is speculation and theories otherwise. No one on these forums has the answers.
Sorry dude, but folks who work as expert witnesses have far more to lose than one payday. You don't risk you or your companies reputation for a quick buck.
as for Owen not being an expert....
From his vitas:
Certificate of Achievement, Electro-Acoustics Synergetic Audio Concepts, 1983
Completion of Voice Identification Course, 1985
Certification as Voice Identification Examiner, July 17, 1986 by the
International Association for Identification,
Life Member Kentucky Division
Life Member New Jersey Division
Audio Engineering Society NY Chapter Board of Directors 1989-1991 1996-1998
Chairman (1991 to Present) Audio Engineering Society WG0-12 Working Group
"Forensic Audio"
The American Board of Forensic Examiners - BCFE, ABFE Fellow, Life Member,
Board Certified, Homeland Security Advisory Board
Chairman Emeritus of the Board of Recorded Evidence - American College of Forensic
Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification
Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992
Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007
Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY
Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.
To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
Like I posted before:
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Originally Posted by SimpleMan
Straight from the mouths of the experts who analyzed the tape:
"The experts, both of whom say they have testified in cases involving audio analysis, stressed they cannot say who was screaming. They have no samples of Martin's voice."
Sorry dude, but folks who work as expert witnesses have far more to lose than one payday. You don't risk you or your companies reputation for a quick buck.
as for Owen not being an expert....
From his vitas:
Certificate of Achievement, Electro-Acoustics Synergetic Audio Concepts, 1983
Completion of Voice Identification Course, 1985
Certification as Voice Identification Examiner, July 17, 1986 by the
International Association for Identification,
Life Member Kentucky Division
Life Member New Jersey Division
Audio Engineering Society NY Chapter Board of Directors 1989-1991 1996-1998
Chairman (1991 to Present) Audio Engineering Society WG0-12 Working Group
"Forensic Audio"
The American Board of Forensic Examiners - BCFE, ABFE Fellow, Life Member,
Board Certified, Homeland Security Advisory Board
Chairman Emeritus of the Board of Recorded Evidence - American College of Forensic
Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification
Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992
Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007
Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY
Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.
To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
PS - you are clueless as to what conflict of interest means.
If Owen had found that it was Zimmerman's voice on the tape, the Sentinel would have had a HUGE scoop on all of the competition. It was in their interest to find out the facts of a key part of the case be the voice Zimmermans or Martins and either finding would have put the same amount of fuel on the fire.
So pleeze speak of those things that you know something about.
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