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Old 03-30-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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Ok, so there's like 25-30 mins of time unaccounted for. These were some quick paramedics. Hell, their paperwork takes longer than that. They likely didn't have a whole lot to do. Their records however will come to light as well...go to page 63.

 
Old 03-30-2012, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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You do clearly realize that the poilce report supports his version of the events BECAUSE his version is basically the only version they have. That doesn't mean that's what happens, that just means it is one sided, and a statement was taken by HIM. Do you think that if Zimmerman had shot him in cold blood he would have actually SAID that? Really?

There are conflicting reports from all sources which don't prove one side or the other. Therefore, that is the need for a thorough investigation, not a one sided police report.
And you do clearly realize that the police report talks about Zimmerman's back being wet & grassy as well as the observations by the police of Zimmerman's visible injuries - right?
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:06 PM
 
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And you do clearly realize that the police report talks about Zimmerman's back being wet & grassy as well as the observations by the police of Zimmerman's visible injuries - right?
Injuries that do not measure up to the horrendous beating he supposeldy was subjected to...according to him. Looked as if he nicked himself while shaving his head as opposed to being beaten repeatedly against concrete.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:09 PM
 
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First of all what does Trayvon Martin's physical appearance, at any age, have to do with how and why he was murdered. If his physical dimesions play a role in the investigation, that would be the only substantial reason to even make mention of them. He was somebody's son and child and still legally a minor, BTW. If the media is showing pictures of him a few years younger than his short 17 years of life, it is still more appropriate than having them post pictures that are not even him, as many media outlets and internet sites are doing. There are actual recent photos of Trayvon that have been posted right here on CD. Maybe you have not seen them, but he certainly does not look much different than the earlier photos other than being taller and a bit older.
The first two photos of a mug shot vs a 12 year old boy makes Zimmerman's account of self defense look ridiculous. After seeing up to date photos I think it is at least plausible that a struggle for the gun was possible. When Martin was 12 I would not find it remotely plausible and would be heavily biased towards Zimmerman's guilt.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Injuries that do not measure up to the horrendous beating he supposeldy was subjected to...according to him. Looked as if he nicked himself while shaving his head as opposed to being beaten repeatedly against concrete.
So did he really look like 250 lbs in person?

I would have to assume you examined him face to face to be so sure of yourself, right?
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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The first two photos of a mug shot vs a 12 year old boy makes Zimmerman's account of self defense look ridiculous. After seeing up to date photos I think it is at least plausible that a struggle for the gun was possible. When Martin was 12 I would not find it remotely plausible and would be heavily biased towards Zimmerman's guilt.
Problem is that many people, myself included, are not buying the struggle for the gun thing. That would have been a major point in Zimmerman's recounting his story to the police. It did not exist until the surveillance video was released which mostly debunked the nearly fatal beating story. Haven't you noticed that? Try and find that part of his story prior to the release of the video...you will not be able to. It's bunk!
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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Injuries that do not measure up to the horrendous beating he supposeldy was subjected to...according to him. Looked as if he nicked himself while shaving his head as opposed to being beaten repeatedly against concrete.
I expect the injures to be true but exaggerated. If they say he has a broken nose but doesn't, they are really in trouble. So I would be very surprised with plain lies. Its the same reason why the Martin family passed out old photos. Exaggeration of childhood to generate sympathy for Martin and a "vicious" beating to generate a justification for Zimmerman.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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And you do clearly realize that the police report talks about Zimmerman's back being wet & grassy as well as the observations by the police of Zimmerman's visible injuries - right?
All that could mean is that he fell. In all actuality that still doesn't mean is story is failproof. If they corraborate his story, that's still because he told it. It could be correct, or it could be 100% wrong. Again, the only thing that we call all say with certainty is NO ONE knows what happened seconds before the shooting, we just have one side, and there is a big chance that side's statement it is 100% false to immediately clear him since no one else saw.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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All that could mean is that he fell. In all actuality that still doesn't mean is story is failproof. If they corraborate his story, that's still because he told it. It could be correct, or it could be 100% wrong. Again, the only thing that we call all say with certainty is NO ONE knows what happened seconds before the shooting, we just have one side, and there is a big chance that side's statement it is 100% false to immediately clear him since no one else saw.
So you discount the witnesses that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman?

And instead you would believe that the grass on Zimmerman's back & his injuries were instead because he fell?

Just because you want it to be so, doesn't make it so.
 
Old 03-30-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Problem is that many people, myself included, are not buying the struggle for the gun thing.
OK.So what? What does that have to do with Martin being a plausible threat?

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That would have been a major point in Zimmerman's recounting his story to the police. It did not exist until the surveillance video was released which mostly debunked the nearly fatal beating story.
Has nothing to do with the other. You asked what is the big deal about Martin's appearance. It matters.


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Haven't you noticed that? Try and find that part of his story prior to the release of the video...you will not be able to. It's bunk!
I agree that "the beating" was likely exaggerated. If you panicked and shot someone, you and I would play that up too. A manslaughter crime is also entirely plausible. It gets real iffy all over the place because people do get shot by their own guns. On the other hand the one that brings the gun brings this escalation.
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