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View Poll Results: Do you Believe in Global Warming?
Yes 62 50.82%
No 60 49.18%
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Old 03-31-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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False. That supposition only exists under the pretense of modeled projection, which... has consistently failed to live up to the observed trends.

You are welcome though to provide the research to which supports your claim, yet will not find it within the observational records or outside of models to which take extreme liberty in their assumptions.
Yes, I was looking through some old newspapers and found one dated Aug. 19, 1984. On the cover: "The Drowning of Los Angeles."

There were even predictions. For the year 2014: "The Water Spills Over." Meaning that due to the sea level "rising," water would pour into and flood areas like California's Great Central Valley and parts of the Los Angeles basin. So watch out... only two more years to go before all that happens!
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Old 03-31-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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Since you like William Chapin at the University of Illinois so much (I see that you copied a ton of his graphs a few pages back), I suppose I could just be lazy and cite one of his articles.

http://acdis.illinois.edu/assets/doc...dProjected.pdf

It seems as if he interprets the data differently than you do. Perhaps this is because he is a scientist and you are not?
And how has his projections worked out? Yeah, umm... thought so, but hey... that appeal to authority can keep you warm at night!
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Old 03-31-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: WA
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And how has his projections worked out? Yeah, umm... thought so, but hey... that appeal to authority can keep you warm at night!
You must hold him in high enough regard to copy his work. Obviously, you are a big fan.
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Old 03-31-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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I hold Al Gore in the Highest of Esteem. I don't care for some guy at Univ. of Illini.



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You must hold him in high enough regard to copy his work. Obviously, you are a big fan.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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You must hold him in high enough regard to copy his work. Obviously, you are a big fan.
And what specific work is that? The Cryoshpere datasets?

Well, for one it is a culmination of the data from multiple sources.

An Informed Guide to Climate Data Sets: Walsh Sea Ice Concentrations

Second, he lists his sources and methodology and lastly this is simply the evaluation of the observed data formulated from raw sources.

Are you trying to say that such application is the same as a projection?

Also, define "big fan"? Am I a DMI fan as well if I use a graph of their collected data? How about the NSIDC?

The problem you have is that you think that because I use the various representations of their collected data, that I am somehow then required to accept their projections and their opinions concerning the data. They aren't even in the same ballpark concerning the issue.

Now certainly there are issues with some agencies "modifying the data" (GISS consistently revises its raw station data, yet refuses to release their methodology and station selection).

In the end, if you look at the data (which there are multiple sources outside of Cryosphere), you see the same basic trend in the ice. From that data, we see that there is no "spiral" in the poles as you claimed. We have not had a loss below the lowest of 2007 for the arctic an the ice growth and loss seems to not show any discernible pattern to that nature. As for Antarctica, well... I doubt you even want to go there, it is well above average.

What a researcher supposes is all and good, but it isn't the same as taking the data and then mapping it out. You make the mistake of confusing "guessing" with simple representation.
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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I believe!!!
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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Do you believe in Global Warming?

Why or Why Not?
Yes, i do and I also believe that humans contribute to the problem. Will the world end tomorrow? absolutely not but it's never too early to help the environment for future years
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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Yes, i do and I also believe that humans contribute to the problem. Will the world end tomorrow? absolutely not but it's never too early to help the environment for future years
Considering the other threads you post in and your responses there, I would conclude you believe whatever you are told to believe by the factions you hold most dear.

That is, your opinion is that of another and should be placed onto the shelf of "mouthing off someone else's agenda".

Be well puppet!
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:40 PM
 
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Yes, i do and I also believe that humans contribute to the problem. Will the world end tomorrow? absolutely not but it's never too early to help the environment for future years
Yes, it is. We do not have the technology to replace fossil fuels right now. Therefore, it is too early to stop using them.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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No, since this is in the context of AGW, not natural
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