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Global warming deniers usually have the biggest bank accounts...."I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven"---that's fine but why do you have to drag me along for the ride for? Poor and common people get no pleasure from this hot crash and burn...only the rich will enjoy destroying the place...It is not fair.
Global warming deniers usually have the biggest bank accounts...."I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven"---that's fine but why do you have to drag me along for the ride for? Poor and common people get no pleasure from this hot crash and burn...only the rich will enjoy destroying the place...It is not fair.
GM pulling out of the Heartland Institute is probably the beginning of the end for global warming denialism. As always progress only happens when it affects the bottom line.
Global warming deniers usually have the biggest bank accounts...."I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven"---that's fine but why do you have to drag me along for the ride for? Poor and common people get no pleasure from this hot crash and burn...only the rich will enjoy destroying the place...It is not fair.
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Originally Posted by box_of_zip_disks
GM pulling out of the Heartland Institute is probably the beginning of the end for global warming denialism. As always progress only happens when it affects the bottom line.
Notice how the desperate substitution of the imaginary "global warming" for the actual argument, "Man-caused global warming", is expanding and spreading as the various Global Whatever fanatics are backed into their corners? More and more they are unable to defend their wishful thinking that Man has caused the climate change we are seeing, and/or that Man can do something to "change it back".
As normal people spot their tired tactics and see past them, the Global Whatever fanatics are rapidly losing any credibility they ever had, even among people who might have believed their ducking and dodging before.
It's never been easy to be a liberal. You need a constant supply of people who will believe your rhetoric without examining it too closely. And nowadays, such people are becoming few and far between as the duplicitous tactics of the Left are exposed.
Do you believe it is entirely cause by man or natural causes, or a combination?
The warming trend is a combination of natural planet fluctuations AND man-made causes like cutting down the Amazon rain forest and other forests, and humans creating added heat like driving motor vehicles, heating their homes, and the heat from factory machinery.
How could anyone NOT believe that 7 billion human beings on this planet are having zero effect on our environment???
How could anyone NOT believe that 7 billion human beings on this planet are having zero effect on our environment???
Nobody said zero effect. Humans can have a rather large effect on localized systems. This can be shown empirically and was never a question of debate.
Now humans having an effect according to the hypothesis of CAGW? Not even remotely substantiated and in fact, what evidence there is suggests natural variability.
The problem is that too many people make the mistake of claiming localized effect establishes global occurrence. Localized effect as global occurrence is an invalid support.
earth has been cooling and warming since its creation.
Human caused global warming derives from an attempt to promote a political/social/economic agenda with a strategy that has been in use since before the aztecs and myans who relied on the ignorant to create a social and political hierarchy.
The earth has been cooling and warming since its creation. Human caused global warming derives from an egocentric attitude that nevers seems to go away.
Persecuting opposing views is a red flag as is the statement that the 'science is settled'. Science cannot exist without challenge, to remain static is its death.
The earth is certainly cooling or warming, no news here.
Respect for the earth transcends any political agenda, overzealous radicals that populate the EPA and other related regulatory agencies are the attack dogs for the new world politics. They have lost perspective.
CO2 can only be considered a pollutant in the fantasy world of goverment regulators.
The melting glaciers everywhere isn't anyone's imagination.
Core samples of ice and snow show an unprecendented increases in carbon dioxide.
I assume it's a combionation of both, but seems unwise to make more of a mess as humans than we need to.
It isn't imaginary, it's nartural. There are now dozens of expanding glaciers. Science, because it is all speculation, could just as easily prove we are headed into an ice age again. It's a win win for science no matter which direction they choose.
IMO: If, in the smallest of chances, man IS causing global warming - I'd say that anyone living in the extreme north or south should be happy they'll be able to grow crops in their new found tropical paradise. If the oceans rise then it sucks to be Al Gore who just paid millions for his home on the beach (see how worried he is.)
$8.9M for his Malibu home ON THE BEACH. Gore is no better than Haggard, Bakker, and the rest of those fake evengelists.
Preaches one thing and does another.
Never confuse the unwillingness to take 30 minutes to prove a point on an internet forum with the inability to do so.
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And now it's my fault that you can't cite anyproof of a link between man's activity and Global Whatever.
You're marching thru the script of Global Whatever ducking, dodging, and faking just like so many of your brethern have. The consistency is remarkable. As I said, it's probably because you have no place else to go.
BTW, you're making an awful lot of assumptions about me, aren't you? What my degrees are in, what fields, where I got them, what my subsequent work experience in atmospheric sciences has been, etc. Has it not occurred to you that I can blow all these excuses out of the water, merely by naming them?
I'll spare you the embarrassment, since you have generated quite enough on your own, and merely suggest: Try me.
Instead of describing your lofty (and condescending) lecture series, just tell me the gist of the proof, and in which studies it can be found... down to the page. I think you probably realize by now, that pointing to your entire library and saying, "It's in there somewhere, YOU go find it", won't cut it.
Just tell us all where the actual proof is, of a link between man's activities and Global Whatever.
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earth has been cooling and warming since its creation.
