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View Poll Results: What do you believe is the cause of global warming?
human activity 20 17.39%
natural causes 60 52.17%
a combination of both 35 30.43%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-31-2012, 10:09 PM
 
Location: WA
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You were about to post a link to a study proving a connection between man's activities and Global Whatever, weren't you?

Weren't you?

(yawn)
Would you like links from of blog posts from nonscientists, or would you prefer graphs shamelessly copied from university websites? What was that? Neither? Ok then.

Every major science organization has supported anthropogenic global warming:

Royal Society: Geoengineering the climate: science, governance and uncertainty | Royal Society

NASA: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/c...ate-lo-rez.pdf

National Academy of Scientists. Look, a whole book you can read about it!: Advancing the Science of Climate Change

The Carbon Cycle lecture notes: Global Change Project

And if you want more primary literature:

Detection of Anthropogenic Climate Change in the World's Oceans

Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years
Anthropogenic Warming of Earth's Climate System
Are observed decadal changes in intermediate water masses a signature of anthrop

You're right about one thing: it is getting late. If I had time and energy, I could cite 100 more. But I'm going to go watch a movie and go to bed. I do appreciate that someone was so excited to learn more about climate change!
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Old 03-31-2012, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Algore
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Can I call them, or what?

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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn
In truth, climates frequently change.

Sometimes the climate gets warmer.

And sometimes it gets colder.

That's been going on for as long as the planet has been orbiting the Sun. Or, as long as it's had a climate, at least.

And man has never had the slightest influence on it.

Even the leftist loons who scream about how we have to use government to change everything, go back to the stone age, etc., to prevent some unknown catastrophe, have never been able to come up with even ONE study or example that backs up their claims.

What's funny is that, when they do name some study, it invariably turns out to be nothing but a bunch of long-winded claims which, finally, refer to some other "study" for proof. And what is in that other "study"? You guessed it - more long-winded claims, and eventually a reference to yet another study. And you can guess what is in that one, too.

The leftist global-whatever loons have been insisting on impending doom, and the urgent need to give government massive powers to change every bit of our lives to "avoid" that doom, for at least 40 years by my count. Literally billions of dollars have changed hands - usually into their hands - all over the world. And they still haven't come up with one shred of proof that man has had the least bit of influence on the climate changes that happen regularly around us. Nor is there any proof that man can do anything to change it.

***40 YEARS*** of screaming, caterwauling, and doomsaying. All without the slightest proof. Just references to references to references, ad infinitum.
Would you like links from of blog posts from nonscientists, or would you prefer graphs shamelessly copied from university websites? What was that? Neither? Ok then.

Every major science organization has supported anthropogenic global warming:

Royal Society: Geoengineering the climate: science, governance and uncertainty | Royal Society

NASA: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/c...ate-lo-rez.pdf

National Academy of Scientists. Look, a whole book you can read about it!: Advancing the Science of Climate Change

The Carbon Cycle lecture notes: Global Change Project

And if you want more primary literature:

Detection of Anthropogenic Climate Change in the World's Oceans

Causes of Climate Change Over the Past 1000 Years
Anthropogenic Warming of Earth's Climate System
Are observed decadal changes in intermediate water masses a signature of anthrop
And another liberal repeats the "performance" of his brethern, providing links to lots of the same old studies... not one of which proves any link between man's activities and Global Whatever.

You people really need to find some new material.

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I do appreciate that someone was so excited to learn more about climate change!
Too bad that "someone" wasn't you.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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So, I shouldn't listen to the scientists. They are trained professionals, who know more about the atmosphere than anyone on this forum. I should, instead, listen to bloggers? A programmer who writes op-ed columns?

Again, there's the disconnect. Granted, a big problem is that the public doesn't have access to peer reviewed scientific journals unless they go to their local library. It'd take anyone about 5 minutes to find an article in a recent issue of Science or Nature with quality data supporting anthropogenic warming.

But what do we have access to at home? News media and blogs. Secondary sources which pick and choose the "relevant" information for us. Its a big problem.
How many people listened to Bernie Madoff? He is a professionally trained investor and made many people wealthy, however he is human and greedy and took advantage of those who believed in him. Do you believe there are no dishonest scientists? Why did they (the scientists) get caught with thier pants down over the emails they didn't want the public to see?

I'm a professional real estate developer and contractor here in Cali. Would you be interested in a bridge I have for sale? The liberal foothold is weakening as their shams are being exposed.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:43 AM
 
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The melting glaciers everywhere isn't anyone's imagination.
Core samples of ice and snow show an unprecendented increases in carbon dioxide.
I assume it's a combionation of both, but seems unwise to make more of a mess as humans than we need to.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:16 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So, what is this liberal agenda that is driving the man made global warming debate? What is the objective?
Control. Control of what we drive, how much energy we use (this is what is behind the ban on incandescent lightbulbs), control of virtually every area of our lives by a liberal elite who think they are smarter than everybody else, and seek to modify our behavior to align with what they believe.

Isn't it obvious?
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:30 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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separating you from your money ...

Global Warming represents trillions in tax payers money that will be funneled to politicians (at all levels) and world banksters.
This is largely true. Look at who stood to benefit from the "cap and trade" scheme, and who stood to lose. People like Al Gore were already making millions on this ridiculous scheme of "carbon credits", and at the expense of ordinary citizens who are forced to pay skyrocketing energy bills.

Remember Obama's statement, "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity bills would necessarily skyrocket." (Thanks, Obama)

But it goes much deeper than this. These are godless people. They have appointed themselves as gods, and they seek to modify the behavior of the rest of us to conform to their twisted view of the universe. They have a religion too. Their god is "mother earth".

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Old 04-01-2012, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I'm going to side with 94% of all scientists...and 100% of meteorologists on this one. .

Then you have quite a personal conflict since 94% of scientists and 100% of meteorologists don't agree on anything regarding AGW.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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So, what is this liberal agenda that is driving the man made global warming debate? What is the objective?

Global wealth redistribution. There are numerous sources of information that explicitly detail how wealth redistribution is the final solution.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Global wealth redistribution. There are numerous sources of information that explicitly detail how wealth redistribution is the final solution.
Explain this wealth redistribution thing.... Is that like what the oil companies are doing now? Isn't this fight over global warming about a fight between the fossil fuel industry and the rest of the world? Isn't about being responsiblity for the results of your actions? If the fossil fuel industry can create doubt about what their products do to the environment.

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