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Old 04-03-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Which costs more - welfare and entitlement programs or defense?

As my son says "that's a rhetorical question dad."
Can we figure 'defense' cost by deducting the cost of wasteful 'offensive' invasions that have no benefit to the country?
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Obama does not have any ideas that have not been discredited YEARS ago. The problem with liberal ideas is that the country cannot afford them.
And the problem with conservatives is their only idea is to bash Obama.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Hmmmmm, interesting and so typical. Post a listing of half-truths and act as if they are the entire truth, so very Republican of you. Thing is, the only people that believe a word of it are your fellow sheeple, Indes an Dems have figured out what you are all about long ago.
Which one of those 45 can you dispute? If you're feeling ambitious, perhaps you can debunk all 45 claims?

Just saying they are half-truths doesn't make them half truths.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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That's all I need to know. He's gone in November.
And those out of work people should have what, starved?
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Oh yes, all while taxing the hell out of the rich as punishment for being successful.

Cry me a river.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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Military spending is often corporate welfare.

Who pays when there are massive cost overruns? Nice deal when you can tell someone you'll do a job for say $1,000 and halfway thru you're able to say Oh, by the way, it's gonna be $3,000 and you get paid all the same.

In another thread someone posted the $$$ amount Israel spends on US weapons. Essentially, we give them foreign aid and they turn right around and spend a large portion of it on US made weapons, is that really anything but corporate welfare?
What's wrong with that? The money is dumped right back into the US economy via the multiplier effect. Of all arguments against corporate welfare, this one simply doesn't have teeth.

If you railed against foreign aid, i'd have a better time seeing your point. But money (which is fungible) being reintroduced into the US economy just doesn't strike me as a particularly bad problem.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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Which costs more - welfare and entitlement programs or defense?

As my son says "that's a rhetorical question dad."
I'll answer. Military spending.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:05 PM
 
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I'll answer. Military spending.

First you need to tell us if you're railing against weapons development, or if you're railing against military itself. Without researching it, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the costs associated with the military are the personel/benefits/operational costs. Is this what you have a problem with? What are you proposing as a solution?

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...n_3080#usgs302

Edit: Yep, the bulk of the spending is on personnel/benefits/operations/maintenace. What do you propose we do about that?

It's tiring to hear all the bloviating about "defense spending"....as if the totality of expenditures is one big abstract that assumes that the United States is one big defense mechanism with unchecked spending on earth-ending weaponry. The numbers don't back up these assertions.
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'll answer. Military spending.
and you'd be wrong
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Old 04-03-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: USA
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and you'd be wrong
Medicare and Medicaid are not welfare. Military spending takes up more of the budget than welfare.

Taking apart the federal budget (washingtonpost.com)
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