Why are people so paranoid of the government but not the corporations? (enemy, Mexicans)

[jmking]

Originally Posted by Nomander

These days? I would say very little.

Which is why if you reduce government power, you reduce corporation power.

Think so? Maybe its been a tug of war instead and if government was to shy away, the hustlers would fill the void and pick your bones clean?

[pollyrobin]

Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal

How does single payer with the government as the ultimate say in provision of the services "set this country free" rather than inslave individuals to the government from womb to grave?

Because a single payer is simply the payer. It is not the deliverer (I guess that's a word)
of health care services. The providers are.
They don't care where the payment comes from, as long as they get paid.
It doesn't change how they treat a patient.
We already have set fees by private health insurance companies,
and they usually coinside with that of Medicare fees. The only difference
is Insurance Companies make an extra profit off your insurance
premium or the subsidy they get from Federal tax dollars. Just get
rid of that.

Health care is not a commodity. It is not an entitlement program.
As a Paul supporter that I know you are, and I am as well, I disagree
with Paul's stance on a private industry health care system. The technologoy
is too far advanced and expensive. The length of natural life more
prolonged.

If we all just pay a Medicare payroll tax for BASIC health care services
companies would not have to provide health care to their workers.
They are "freed" from financial burden and have a greater capacity to
compete.

I'm not saying free health care. It's never free - someone is paying
for it. Sure Docs do free work, but they still have to eat and feed
their families just like the rest of the country.
You'll never have an affordable health insurance premium with a for
profit insurance company and a 20 percent administrative cost - not
in today's economy.

It only makes sense. The same Medicare that is available to
the elderly, should be made available to the working, productive
taxpayer.

I'm for as little government as possible. But in my eyes, single
payer health care is up there, with supporting an army for defense.
Because bottom line, without healthy workers in the
workforce, no one is getting any money to subsidize
anyone else's healthcare, pay for federal expenses,
And that includes paying for Grandma/Grampa.

[CDusr]

Originally Posted by jmking

Think so? Maybe its been a tug of war instead and if government was to shy away, the hustlers would fill the void and pick your bones clean?

Actually, from my own research Big Gov and Big Corp are completely integrated and it has been this way for some time. I don't think that is where there is any kind of tug of war. Why anyone thinks they are separate is beyond me. You can approach it from many angles.

The "govt" is the machine that allows the transfer of wealth, so the bigger it is the worse the transfer. Just for one basic ref go look at govt growth, say the last 10 yrs especially, though you can go back much further.

Here are some places you can look. Though there is info all over. CAFRs and AFRs are also critical to this.

http://www.faculty.rsu.edu/users/f/f.../Govgrowth.pdf

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by Nomander

These days? I would say very little.

Which is why if you reduce government power, you reduce corporation power.

Why?

Besides, corporate influence over government is technically making government weaker and corporations stronger... unless corporations is your government. It should be expected.

But then, what exactly do you think government is supposed to be? Perhaps we should start there.

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal

How does single payer with the government as the ultimate say in provision of the services "set this country free" rather than inslave individuals to the government from womb to grave?

You would not be any less free than paying in taxes to the government for defense, of your property, security and national defense.

[waterboy7375]

Originally Posted by gvsteve

Because you can choose to refuse to do business with a corporation, but you can't refuse to do business with the government.

Exactly, try boycotting the gvmt.

[waterboy7375]

Originally Posted by pollyrobin

Because a single payer is simply the payer. It is not the deliverer (I guess that's a word)
of health care services. The providers are.
They don't care where the payment comes from, as long as they get paid.
It doesn't change how they treat a patient.
We already have set fees by private health insurance companies,
and they usually coinside with that of Medicare fees. The only difference
is Insurance Companies make an extra profit off your insurance
premium or the subsidy they get from Federal tax dollars. Just get
rid of that.

Health care is not a commodity. It is not an entitlement program.
As a Paul supporter that I know you are, and I am as well, I disagree
with Paul's stance on a private industry health care system. The technologoy
is too far advanced and expensive. The length of natural life more
prolonged.

If we all just pay a Medicare payroll tax for BASIC health care services
companies would not have to provide health care to their workers.
They are "freed" from financial burden and have a greater capacity to
compete.

I'm not saying free health care. It's never free - someone is paying
for it. Sure Docs do free work, but they still have to eat and feed
their families just like the rest of the country.
You'll never have an affordable health insurance premium with a for
profit insurance company and a 20 percent administrative cost - not
in today's economy.

It only makes sense. The same Medicare that is available to
the elderly, should be made available to the working, productive
taxpayer.

I'm for as little government as possible. But in my eyes, single
payer health care is up there, with supporting an army for defense.
Because bottom line, without healthy workers in the
workforce, no one is getting any money to subsidize
anyone else's healthcare.
And that includes paying for Grandma/Grampa.

For all you folks who want single payer so bad , why dont you group together and start an ins co-op?
If your true goal was to delete the profit from the ins industry ya would have done that yrs ago.
Problem is with a co-op you will not be able to get peopple who earn more then you to pay for your HC , and thats the true goal of single payer.

[CDusr]

Originally Posted by waterboy7375

For all you folks who want single payer so bad , why dont you group together and start an ins co-op?
If your true goal was to delete the profit from the ins industry ya would have done that yrs ago.
Problem is with a co-op you will not be able to get peopple who earn more then you to pay for your HC , and thats the true goal of single payer.

This is a very good point. I am a big believer in community based models. However, I don't think they need to be run by the govt. Nor do I think giant central controlled monoliths are an effective model.

[pollyrobin]

Originally Posted by waterboy7375

If your true goal was to delete the profit from the ins industry ya would have done that yrs ago.
Problem is with a co-op you will not be able to get peopple who earn more then you to pay for your HC , and thats the true goal of single payer.

If you pay an insurance premium, you are already paying more than
someone else, somewhere - that's a given. Your premium payments go towards
paying for any such care of another. That's why they call it an Insurance Pool

I would have done it back in 1965 "Medicare for ALL" when they enacted
Medicare for a select group, but I think I was laying on the living room
floor watching the Flintstones while my mommy was making me some
Maypo

[waterboy7375]

Originally Posted by pollyrobin

If you pay an insurance premium, you are already paying more than
someone else, somewhere - that's a given. Your premium payments go towards
paying for any such care of another. That's why they call it an Insurance Pool

I would have done it back in 1965 "Medicare for ALL" when they enacted
Medicare for a select group, but I think I was laying on the living room
floor watching the Flintstones while my mommy was making me some
Maypo

So why not do a co-op now?