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Old 04-04-2012, 09:03 PM
 
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That is like asking is a chair or sofa worse. I don't think either is worse. They are entirely different.
Okay putting yet another way, taken as separate entities with each entity which is capable of producing more harm, a corporation or a government?

I think you know the answer, but you simply are too stubborn to concede the point.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Who ever controls the cash supply has more effect..corporations are getting close to being secondary governments----------------------unelected...and that can mean the fall of democracy.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:13 PM
 
Location: NC
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Okay putting yet another way, taken as separate entities with each entity which is capable of producing more harm, a corporation or a government?

I think you know the answer, but you simply are too stubborn to concede the point.
If taken alone generally with one government vs one corporation a government is obviously more capable of producing harm since it is more powerful. A government is also more capable of doing good.

But the mere ability to do harm or good is not indicative of whether something is better or worse. For example a CEO is more powerful then a child. Thus the CEO is more capable of doing harm, but that does not mean the CEO is worse then the child, just more powerful.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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I really have to wonder what kind of fantasy world people live in, when the fact that there is corporate influence in government is an argument for the point that corporations are bad, but government is good.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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I really have to wonder what kind of fantasy world people live in, when the fact that there is corporate influence in government is an argument for the point that corporations are bad, but government is good.
because the progressive mind believes that government is always just a few tweaks, laws,regulations etc. away from being perfect.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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I am a proud member of the Libertarian Party. And I am not the only
one there that wants a single payer system. It is not the party platform, to
support big government, I agree.

But, what we have today is a combination of Corporate Medicine and
Socialized Medicine intermixed, at the disadvantage of the most
productive members of society. I don't use Corporate Medicine in the
same sentence as the word Libertarian.
There is not an ounce of private enterprise in it.

I too, want the government as small as possible

But, the constitution gives our legislation branch the right to raise and support Armies, and the power to tax for the general welfare of its citizens.
I can't think of anything that describes the general welfare of a country more than its citizens' general health.
Without it, we can not have happiness, or pursuit of, or be productive members of our society.
That hasn't changed since the beginning of this nation.

If I was allowed to vote on it in the '60's, I would not have voted
for Medicare for a select group, over age 65.
Either all, or None.
At this point in time, I'm voting All, because it makes the most
economical sense. And yes, it would be constitutional.

I'm willing to pay a Medicare Payroll Tax for a single payer national
health care system. Does it make me less libertarian?
Do you really think a libertarian gives a ****
Everybody is an individual. Just thought it a bit diff than most Libertarian views. Constitutional is debatable though. Depending on interpretation.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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because the progressive mind believes that government is always just a few tweaks, laws,regulations etc. away from being perfect.
Yep. Everything will be fine if we just throw a few more dollars at it.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:30 PM
 
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Everybody is an individual. Just thought it a bit diff than most Libertarian views. Constitutional is debatable though. Depending on interpretation.
If you put a couple libertarians in a room, the only thing they'd
agree on is that they are Libertarian

Remember, I did say All or None.

If Congress would repeal the 16th Amendment,
get rid of Medicare, Medicaid & All other federal paid/run
health care programs, I'd be open to that too because it would
mean we just had "private enterprise".

But that aint happening, and I don't think any other citizen
is more entitled to affordable, let alone free health care,
by the federal government, simply because they belong to a "select group"
from any another citizen who does not.

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Old 04-04-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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because the progressive mind believes that government is always just a few tweaks, laws,regulations etc. away from being perfect.
Nah man, just that you have to change government in accordance with changing circumstances and conditions.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:08 PM
 
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at least the government is ELECTED by the people and it's main duty is the represent the people (though that doesn't always happen) and their main purpose is to help fix societal problems and help guide society. (and it doesn't always do this) but at least its the SETUP PURPOSE of the govenrment.

corporations answer TO THEMSELVES and the people DO NOT ELECT them and their sole purpose is SIMPLY to make money.. their PURPOSE has NOTHING TO DO with bettering society... sure they create jobs, but that's a BYPRODUCT of the whole making money thing.. it's not their purpose.

also, corporations already practically RUN a good portion of the government (you know that evil thing to be paranoid of)

why are people paranoid of the government but NOT CORPORATIONS?

makes no sense.
This question makes no sense. Government is force - corporations are strictly voluntary.

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