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Old 04-04-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Remove the power from the government, such as antitrust laws, so massive monopoly corporations can wield all the power through blackmail; withholding products and services that only they provide if you don't agree to their terms. What a great idea! When, eventually, there's only one utility provider in the United States where do we turn when costs skyrocket beyond affordability? What do we do? Just do without water?
No bid contracts. $600 toilet seats. .............
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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because most people want to work for corporations i guess.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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If you want a good look at people who take charge of their government take a look at France for example.
The foundational principles of the constitution include: the equality of all citizens before law, and the rejection of special class privileges (and they don't just say this, they mean it)
Government of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If only we had the balls to do this, but we can't because we don't have the social services in place to keep us alive while we stand up for ourselves.
France strikes: 10,000 TONS of waste pile up on streets of Marseilles | Mail Online

Should the French government stand firm on pension reform? | The Economist
And people agree, that is what they should do, without a doubt stand up for yourself.

Look at the quality of life they have. The services they demand. What a difference. Instead of learning a few tricks for ourselves we just try and find fault with it so we don't feel so ball less over here. lol
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Government has never been the problem. It's those easy to buy humans.
lol Fear, as traditional as a tailored suit.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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because most people want to work for corporations i guess.
When your health care and education are given to the will of business then you are forced to work anywhere that will take ya. Quickly! That's the beauty of the cycle. That is how it works.

How desperate would you be if choosing a better job didn't mean you would have to go without health care?

Wouldn't mean that your kids wouldn't get a college education?

You'd be able to leave the desperation and replace it with effort to find a job that benefits you and the company. Not just the company. We would have way more power to decide our futures if we weren't slaved into needing security in a hurry.

If the people of this country decided to pool together the money and cover those basic needs at a cheaper cost for everyone then we could make far better choices, our job turn over would be cut in half.

Big businesses would be kept smaller simply because they wouldn't have 1/2 the control on the population they do now. Right now they are the providers of everything, that's a lot of power.

You don't eat, have health or education without them.

You are put into a desperate state, that puts them at an advantage, a full advantage. They use that advantage to cut costs and attain mega growth which is far more than they need to survive as a company.

We just don't want anyone to take away our dream opportunity to have as much as we want someday. So we don't limit any corporation control over us, IMO.

We could use our government to do this, that would be a better use for it, IMO. But, then we'd have to give up that slight hope that we too might be a mega billionaire one day.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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How desperate would you be if choosing a better job didn't mean you would have to go without health care?

Big businesses would be kept smaller simply because they wouldn't have 1/2 the control on the population they do now. Right now they are the providers of everything, that's a lot of power.
I'll agree that a single payer national health care system would really set this
country free, that's for sure. Especially for small business.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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at least the government is ELECTED by the people and it's main duty is the represent the people (though that doesn't always happen) and their main purpose is to help fix societal problems and help guide society. (and it doesn't always do this) but at least its the SETUP PURPOSE of the govenrment.

corporations answer TO THEMSELVES and the people DO NOT ELECT them and their sole purpose is SIMPLY to make money.. their PURPOSE has NOTHING TO DO with bettering society... sure they create jobs, but that's a BYPRODUCT of the whole making money thing.. it's not their purpose.

also, corporations already practically RUN a good portion of the government (you know that evil thing to be paranoid of)

why are people paranoid of the government but NOT CORPORATIONS?

makes no sense.

Corporations don't have control over you, governments do.

Now what you really need to worry about is giving too much power to the government, because through government... Corporations CAN control you.

Look up CA's PG&E concerning regulation/deregulation of the industry, how it effected competition and how politics were involved in the process.

Before the governments influence, they had no power (no pun intended) over the consumer. The entire point of their involvement with the government was because of this (increase in competitive companies).

Government is your biggest fear, corporations rise and fall at the whim of the consumer while government rises and falls only with the blood of its people.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Corporations don't have control over you, governments do.
How much separation is there between corporations and governments?
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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No bid contracts. $600 toilet seats. .............
Price fixing. $6,000 shower curtains............. The government is ultimately accountable to the people( i.e. elections) which is why no bid contracts and government wastes becomes election cycle issues. Corporations are accountable to a few board members and the shareholders who elect them which is why $6,000 shower curtains is of no consequence to the company as long as they're in the black and the stock is bullish. As far as the consumer goes there's no oversight committee informing them of individual company purchases while government intervention is the only protection from price fixing in the market. I can show up to the polls. I can't show up to board meetings.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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Remove the power from the government, such as antitrust laws, so massive monopoly corporations can wield all the power through blackmail; withholding products and services that only they provide if you don't agree to their terms. What a great idea! When, eventually, there's only one utility provider in the United States where do we turn when costs skyrocket beyond affordability? What do we do? Just do without water?
Can you imagine a world morphing into that situation again? Can you imagine US cities getting renamed after a product? Detroit would be called General Motors, Hartford conn. would be called Hartford Insurance and LA-----Toco Bell.

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