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Old 04-06-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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If the public option would have been introduced with the rest of Obamacare, then that would have given and immense incentive for rational pricing amoungst the insurance companies. But nooooo. Conservatives just wouldn't have that, would they?
Ok, you have no idea what you are talking about. You make he same mistake as the rest of he clueless people prattling on about healthcare. Healthcare costs and insurance costs are two different things. Healthcare costs rise, in part, because a third party pays for healthcare. The public option would not have done one thing to change that.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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Simply admit it, and I will put you out of your misery. By he way I found the source you wanted in 0.03 seconds.
What misery? You posted a conservative biased source. I rejected it and now you are mad.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Maybe instead of trying to prove that the other side is wrong, Europe and the US should try to develop a third way for the future as our problems will only increase on both sides of the Atlantic. And neither system is perfect and sustainable in its current form.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Italy
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What should baffle the Europeans is that the government, in presenting their case, argued that healthcare is a market. If you believe that healthcare is a right, then that is one thing. It is granted to you. But for the government to come out and dictate it has the power to control healthcare because of the Commerce Clause is very confusing to me.
Yes; health care in the US is about business. The last time I went to the States my wife needed an exam done. The first question: do you have a credit card?

The value of life: 0.

Peace,
brian
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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The war as such was not a minor incident, it was one of many major incidents throughout European history. But the US involvement was a minor incident. In terms of losses, Russia has sacrificed much much much more. I just wrote that reply as judging from your post you consider yourselves way more important than you actually are. You are a young country, thus your perception of the greater picture and historical depth is rather limited, frankly. Europe however is a continent with a long history of civilization, only Asia and the bridge between the two, the Middle East, can compare.
To Europe the US is just another offshoot of Europe anyway.
I'd say that, for a young country, we've done far more for Europe than the other way around. For all of it's supposed civilization, Europe couldn't even manage to pay for it's own defense during the Cold War. Europeans were soiling themselves in fear of the prospect of Soviet tanks rolling in to West Germany. To whom did they look for support and protection? Thousands of years of European culture and you're still dependents. Two hundred years of American freedom and we put a man on the moon. The problem with Europe is that it can't quite figure out how to disdain us and envy us at the same time.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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No, you made the argument. You couldn't prove it. End of story. Why should I look for sources for arguments that you bring up.

You do that yourself.

But I will provide you generously with a link that refutes your claim.

Debunk - 'US infant mortality rates aren't so bad' - Managed Care Matters - Joe Paduda (http://www.joepaduda.com/archives/001276.html - broken link)
Ok, sport, I'll put you out of your misery. We all know about folks like you.

Infant mortality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"However, the method of calculating IMR often varies widely between countries, and is based on how they define a live birth and how many premature infants are born in the country. The World Health Organization (WHO) defines a live birth as any born human being who demonstrates independent signs of life, including breathing, voluntary muscle movement, or heartbeat. Many countries, however, including certain European states and Japan, only count as live births cases where an infant breathes at birth, which makes their reported IMR numbers somewhat lower and raises their rates of perinatal mortality.[10]"

Now don't ever use infant mortality rates as a quality indicator for healthcare again.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Thanks for agreeing that its an expense issue. What freedom is being taken away from you?
Obamacare will force these young couples to buy insurance or pay a penalty.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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What misery? You posted a conservative biased source. I rejected it and now you are mad.
See above. Man, this is too easy.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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I'd say that, for a young country, we've done far more for Europe than the other way around. For all of it's supposed civilization, Europe couldn't even manage to pay for it's own defense during the Cold War. Europeans were soiling themselves in fear of the prospect of Soviet tanks rolling in to West Germany. To whom did they look for support and protection? Thousands of years of European culture and you're still dependents. Two hundred years of American freedom and we put a man on the moon. The problem with Europe is that it can't quite figure out how to disdain us and envy us at the same time.
Ha, Ha. I love how dilusional conservatives are.

Europe didn't defend themselves because we didn't let them.

But why would they? We are paying for it.

There are not nearly as many Europeans that disdain america than the other way around. A lot more conservatives hate Europe, than Europeans hate America.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Meanwhile, we were "saving" Europe with a segregated Jim Crow Army and not allowing decorated veterans of that conflict to vote (and lynching some of them for proudly wearing their uniform) when they got back.
What the hell has that got to do with what we're discussing? By the way, things got better. It was in most of the papers.
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