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Old 11-20-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong IF Trump made aid based on a quid pro quo?

Think about it: Biden bragged about doing it--we've seen the video of him bragging that he got a prosecutor fired. No one seemed to care.

You may say Biden is a political rival. Is he? Biden is not running for President. He's running for the nomination. Until the primaries are over and he has secured the nomination, he's not running against Trump. They are not in the same party, so they are not running against each other.

Fact is, we know that his son DID receive favors and made a lot of money. And we know that his daddy was the veep.
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Old 11-20-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong IF Trump made aid based on a quid pro quo?

Think about it: Biden bragged about doing it--we've seen the video of him bragging that he got a prosecutor fired. No one seemed to care.

You may say Biden is a political rival. Is he? Biden is not running for President. He's running for the nomination. Until the primaries are over and he has secured the nomination, he's not running against Trump. They are not in the same party, so they are not running against each other.

Fact is, we know that his son DID receive favors and made a lot of money. And we know that his daddy was the veep.
quid pro quo itself is not wrong, it mean this for that. What is illegal is someone bribing someone else for personal gain. Trump wanted the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into Biden to help him personally in the election. The quid pro quo is needed to prove bribery.
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Old 11-20-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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quid pro quo?

it's the basis for all foreign aid. We give you this and you agree to do that. We've been participating in quid pro quo since before the Revolutionary War.
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Old 11-20-2019, 04:58 PM
 
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You should really look at the context of that Biden quote.
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Old 11-20-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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So - from the starting point of "Nothing resembling a quid pro quo was suggested" we moved to "a quid pro quo was suggested, but never happened" and we have now arrived at "OK, so there was in fact a quid pro quo, but is that really, when you think about, wrong?"

No pride. No decency. No capacity for shame. Just unwavering, slavish loyalty.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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Its wrong because the president isn't allowed to hold US taxpayer money for information that would personally aid himself from a foreign government. Because Biden was at the time the frontrunner for the nomination Trump may have assumed he would secure the nomination.
Speaking on a cell phone that wasn't secure to his ambassadors in Ukraine opens the door to other countries listening in & that is a national security issue.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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quid pro quo itself is not wrong, it mean this for that. What is illegal is someone bribing someone else for personal gain. Trump wanted the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into Biden to help him personally in the election. The quid pro quo is needed to prove bribery.
So, quid pro quo is not bad by itself but how you implement can be bad! Easier said than done, right?
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:09 PM
 
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So, quid pro quo is not bad by itself but how you implement can be bad! Easier said than done, right?
No. Me buying a shirt from the store is quid pro quo that is legal. ME withholding a paycheck from an employee until they sleep with me is quid pro quo that is illegal.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong IF Trump made aid based on a quid pro quo?
Everything is an agreement. The question is what is agreed upon, and why.
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Think about it: Biden bragged about doing it--we've seen the video of him bragging that he got a prosecutor fired. No one seemed to care.
Everyone cared because the person was corrupt. The European Union and the USA agreed he had to go.

*hint* He was not investigating Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden was never the subject of scrutiny in Ukraine. That is a hoax.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:14 PM
 
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quid pro quo itself is not wrong, it mean this for that. What is illegal is someone bribing someone else for personal gain. Trump wanted the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into Biden to help him personally in the election. The quid pro quo is needed to prove bribery.
Biden SHOULD be investigated. We know that. The question is if it would benefit Trump personally. Trump isn't running against Biden, though.
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