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Old 04-07-2012, 08:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Sometime, you just have to get their attention, starting at an early age. Then all it takes is a look and all is self corrected and self control gains its roots.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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I have no children, and probably have normal guy exposure to them. That being said, I'm not a medical expert, but here's my opinion.

Human beings are all different with similarities in age-specific growing pains and behaviors. There have been problem children or children who have struggled with learning for as long as humans have been around. I imagine that these issues are due to a combination of environment and specific physiological nuances.

What are the true long-lasting side effects of ADHD/ADD pills? I'm not sure anyone conclusively knows over the span of 30 years. What I do know (from having a mother with chronic illness for 30+ years) is that taking pills is a negative. Cancers, mood effects, etc. come from prolonged usage of medication. I believe that the longer you can avoid pills, the healthier and more natural you will live.

Given that most adults over the age of 30 were not on these medications, I don't know how I'd feel if my parents had decided to put me on medication for "having a lack of focus" or "being disruptive in class". I can guess that I'd be upset, because I was a kid. I did disrupt class in high school and get in some trouble, but I was bored with the standard format and learned to change that in college through my experiences in high school (with straight A's for my BS and MS). I also suspect I may not be the person I am today, not having had a clear head for years in my early years. Who knows how that would affect my current viewpoint of avoiding pills and medication through healthy living and hard work (especially with stresses and anxieties).

I believe that there are specific, extreme cases that dictate the use of ADHD/ADD medication, but that it is overused in today's society. I also believe that if you're on any mood-effecting medication, it should only go in hand with therapy or some other tool with the purpose of getting the child off of the medication. In other words, I don't believe any medication should be used unless it's a means to an end. I have family that pushes this medication on its own, and I can see cousins and something just seems wrong.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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ADD and ADHD are very real and if diagnosed properly require treatment.

But, in some cases the disorder effecting many kids today is PDD or Parental Deficit Disorder. This disorder is characterized by lack of parental involvement, concern and discipline. Children suffering from this disorder lack the appropriate levels of adult guidance necessary to create responsible and respectful adults. Perhaps someday advancements in medicine will find a pill that cures the ravages of PDD. Until then all we can do is watch helplessly while a generation of kids suffers.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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ADD and ADHD are very real and if diagnosed properly require treatment.

But, in some cases the disorder effecting many kids today is PDD or Parental Deficit Disorder. This disorder is characterized by lack of parental involvement, concern and discipline. Children suffering from this disorder lack the appropriate levels of adult guidance necessary to create responsible and respectful adults. Perhaps someday advancements in medicine will find a pill that cures the ravages of PDD. Until then all we can do is watch helplessly while a generation of kids suffers.
I'm not sure if you're 100% serious or not, but do you really think more pills are the answer? Doesn't it have to do with people not being responsible and dilligent with their choices and children? How can we expect a pill to fix these problems when the real problem is a lack of accountability?

Perhaps an entitled, spoiled society wants to have their cake (big house, big family) and eat it too (demanding careers, more money, vacation without the kids).
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:11 AM
 
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I'm not sure if you're 100% serious or not, but do you really think more pills are the answer? Doesn't it have to do with people not being responsible and dilligent with their choices and children? How can we expect a pill to fix these problems when the real problem is a lack of accountability?

Perhaps an entitled, spoiled society wants to have their cake (big house, big family) and eat it too (demanding careers, more money, vacation without the kids).
I'm completey serious about PDD. It exists and I think we've all seen the results. I was, of course, joking that the issue can be solved with a pill.

And, PDD is a problem up and down the socio-economic ladder. It's not a rich only or poor only issue. Parents in many cases have abdicated their responsibilities toward not just their children, but toward society as a whole.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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I'm completey serious about PDD. It exists and I think we've all seen the results. I was, of course, joking that the issue can be solved with a pill.

And, PDD is a problem up and down the socio-economic ladder. It's not a rich only or poor only issue. Parents in many cases have abdicated their responsibilities toward not just their children, but toward society as a whole.
Do you believe that PDD has always been around or do you think the 20th century gave birth to it? In other words, why is it more of a problem today than 150 years ago?
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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i am ADHD... and dyslexic. As an adult I have learned to deal and not take meds.

I would not have survived grade school without meds. It just would not have happened.

I had friends who were ADHD back then and their parents were much like some people in this thread, denying it even exists.

those guys are messed up. the ones that arent in JAIL cant hold jobs. They never leaned to deal with the condition and overcome. those nasty drugs saved my life. MY LIFE.

Im past 40 now. have a great job, beautiful wife and wonderful kids. My old school friends have kids all over the place. Ex's and rap sheets....
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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What do you fine humans think about kids these days getting diagnosed with ADD and ADHD and what have you?

While some people genuinely do have behavioral problems, I feel that they are in the minority compared to the kids who just wake up every day, eat some Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, drink a Red Bull and then can't sit down and shut the hell up.

On top of this they inevitably wind up getting diagnosed with some bullpoop condition that means they'll be taking a daily doses of AMPHETAMINES for the rest of their lives. This guarantees their future as a jacked-up speed freak whose character and personality development is influenced mostly by a little orange football pill they eat in the morning. It's messed up, man.

Thoughts?
I'm kind of on the fence about this issue. I do think that the pharmaceutical industry has gotten society a little drug-crazy. However there are true mental disorders out there that need special treatment and for whatever reason, mental illness seems to be increasing these days, either because of the increase in everybody's stress, the way they're raised, changes in peoples' chemistry, more knowlege and research about mental health, etc. Or it could be that taking too many drugs already can affect people and actually cause mental side effects.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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What do you fine humans think about kids these days getting diagnosed with ADD and ADHD and what have you?

While some people genuinely do have behavioral problems, I feel that they are in the minority compared to the kids who just wake up every day, eat some Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, drink a Red Bull and then can't sit down and shut the hell up.

On top of this they inevitably wind up getting diagnosed with some bullpoop condition that means they'll be taking a daily doses of AMPHETAMINES for the rest of their lives. This guarantees their future as a jacked-up speed freak whose character and personality development is influenced mostly by a little orange football pill they eat in the morning. It's messed up, man.

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1. ADD and ADHD are real neurological disorders. It is unfortunate that we cannot test biologically yet, but this will come.

2. ADD and ADHD are both under and over diagnosed because behavioral profiles are not easy to distinguish and most regular pediatricians are not qualified to dx. This is a disorder that should only be dxed by a specialist who actually knows something about the condition.

3. Ritalin does NOT act the same in the brain of an ADD or ADHD child as it does on the normal brain. It actually calms the child rather than reving him up.

4. Neuropsychological testing involves a battery of objective and standardized tests. Usually the doctor gets ADD/ADHD assessments from the parents, teacher or supervisor. Computer-based “continuous performance tests” where the child gives very simple responses (i.e., click a button) to a simple stimulus (numbers, letters, etc.) on a computer screen can be very helpful.

5. There are other things that can be tried first including behavior therapy and diet modification. OTOH, if a child needs medication, it is important not to deny him that relief. Would you deny a child with diabetes his insulin? Would you deny a schizophrenic his lithium? I doubt it.

6. As for the what have you, I assume you are speaking of autism. There is no medication for autism only behavioral and developmental therapies, despite what you may have heard. The autism dx is actually difficult because there is so much variation in symptoms. However, autistic brains do think differently. Temple Grandin has been helping to research this by allowing her brain to be scanned frequently. Her MRI is remarkable and very different from the MRI of a neurotypical brain.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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For those that think schools are pushing the drugs... my experience is not that way.

I cant speak for all schools everywhere, but as a father of a kid in gradeschool, I can tell you that it is FORBIDDEN for teachers to broach this subject. they get in HUGE trouble for even talking about it with a parent that thinks this may be an issue.

its kind of wierd if you ask me but clearly in our district the school does NOT push this.
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