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Why do people who claim this title always end up voting for fiscally liberal/socially liberal people?
Why does your social liberalism trump fiscal conservatism?
Well, that's kind of a crock. I'd vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat.
Here's the deal. If you really care about human freedom, then you vote this way, because both positions are essentially about limiting the power of government.
The fiscal conservative fights for the limitation of government growth, as well as the mission creep of government. For government sucks up economic resources and economic growth, whether it is social programs or defense spending. The taxation burden prevents people from having control over their own economic lives.
Meanwhile, the social liberal also fights for the limitation of government growth, specifically the issues over which government feels it can limit the behavior of its citizens. Therefore, gay marriage, birth control, etc. are just not the government's business, which means that the majority simply cannot legislate away activities that it does not approve of. I mean, I don't smoke pot, but I have yet to hear any kind of coherent argument on why it should be outlawed.
The conflict here becomes when the social liberal see government as a great agent to inflict social change on society, rather than rely on shaping public opinion through informed debate. A great example of this is the willingness to trample the 1st Amendment, forcing Catholic institutions to offer birth control, even though it flat conflicts Catholic doctrine.
Mind you, I'm not Catholic. I don't agree with the church's opinion on birth control. I think it's a bunch of hooey. But I also don't agree with the state's right to make what are essentially doctrinal decisions on the part of religious institutions. Yet, that is exactly what is happening. As a member of a church with female clergy, I don't agree with denominations that only allow men in the pulpit. But the minute you start applying this kind of overbearing governmental involvement in the realm of religious matters, the minute the Baptists or the Catholics or the Church of God become sitting ducks for an EEOC lawsuit, regardless of what the church beliefs might be.
No, they cannot. If they are socially liberal they support ever-increasing government social programs, which means an ever-increasing cost to the taxpayer. A social liberal is exactly the opposite of a fiscal conservative. Anyone who supports Social Security, MediCare/MedicAid, or any another other government social program cannot be a fiscal conservative by definition.
Well obviously there are extremes, as you just pointed out... I'd say most people who identify with fiscal conservatisim support a cut back on government programs and spendings but not fully. Just like if you are socially liberal that doesn't mean you have to support a womans right to have an abortion minutes before she is due to give birth.
Why do people who claim this title always end up voting for fiscally liberal/socially liberal people?
Why does your social liberalism trump fiscal conservatism?
I don't.
My fiscal conservatism will trump my social liberalism.
Because fiscally conservative and socially liberal is an oxymoron. One cannot be fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. It is a contradiction.
Not true at all. Libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
A social conservative typicaly wants to control other peoples lives . " because thats what god would want"
Unfortunately, Democrat politicians also want to control our lives... maybe because that's what they want.
For example, Obama is a fiscal liberal and social conservative. He loves big government and out of control spending. But he has not supported any meaningful social liberalization initiatives.
Well obviously there are extremes, as you just pointed out... I'd say most people who identify with fiscal conservatisim support a cut back on government programs and spendings but not fully. Just like if you are socially liberal that doesn't mean you have to support a womans right to have an abortion minutes before she is due to give birth.
I am not referring to the extremes. As you correctly pointed out, in general terms, a fiscal conservative is someone who wants government to be fiscally responsible, to cut taxes and the scope of government. That position is directly at odds with any one who claims to be a social liberal. Social liberals do not care about costs, or taxes, or the scope of government. They want their social programs at any cost - like ObamaCare. They are not concerned about costs, the impact on citizens, or the size and scope of government, as long as they get their social programs.
Which is why nobody can be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. They are diametrically opposed positions. Only by being something other than a fiscal conservative can they be a social liberal. Anyone who is a social liberal cannot be even remotely conservative.
Anyone who claims they want government-based social programs without being a fiscal burden to the taxpayer is lying through their teeth.
Which is why nobody can be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. They are diametrically opposed positions.
This is the strangest idea I have seen in print in a long time.
The mere assertion that general positions which exist in a spectrum can be "diametrically opposed" betrays a profound confusion regarding the nature of political ideology on one hand, and geometry on the other. The moderate combination of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is in fact the defining characteristic of the American political center.
And this accounts in no small measure for the proliferation of people who identify themselves as political independents, as neither major party has proven capable of embracing that demographic.
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