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Old 04-10-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Yes, you are right about the terminology. But the point is crimes against humanity can and do still occur despite how "unlikely" they may be, or how much we just can't imagine them happening in our modern day.
Crimes against humanity are usually the excuse for ambitious and unprincipled people to create other crimes against humanity.

None of the children who burned to death in Germany in 1940-45 because of Allied bombing had a thing to do with the death camps. Just as none of the children who starved or were gassed in the concentration camps in 1939-45 had a thing to do with Bolshevism. And few of the millions killed in the Russian Civil War had a thing to do with Czarism. And few of the Jews persecuted by the Czars were bomb-throwing terrorists. And if you fold history back further and further, the same thing remains true. War punishes the innocent; it empowers the guilty.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:53 AM
 
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If the Zionists keep it up next time it'll be justified.
They had a hand in the first one. Their priority was the creation of the state of Israel and European antisemtism proved very useful. I have no idea if they wanted it to go as far as it did, but the aftermath of WWII sure won them the internal civil war against Jews who were against a manufactured Jewish state in lieu of what they regard as a true messianic restoration.

The fear of or even manifestation of antisemitism is the primary tool used to encourage immigration to Israel. The other fear is that of assimilation.

"One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland"
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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You can't think of anything that makes the Middle East strategically important?
You can't think of a reason, the same reason in fact, that makes supporting Israel a big effing liability?
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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To me it is abhorrent that he is invoking the Holocaust when discussing a current political issue between two countries. Israel is not a minority group that is being persecuted as the Jews were in WWII, it is a sovereign country. The correct word for the Israel/Iran conflict would be "war" not "holocaust." Both are bad things, but it is wrong to conflate one with the other.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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Instead of trivializing one, maybe we should inflate the others so they don't seem quite so normal in your eyes.
Instead of either, let's make the priority keeping our own people safe.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Gone
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The amount of people killed in Syria is dwarfed by what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

I said, in my post, that genocide is still a very modern problem, but I doubt that it will ever occur on the level it did under the Germans.
The Chinese killed 40 MILLION of their own, I would say that eclipses what happened to the Jews by a long shot. I would also add that Stalin killed more people than the Germans did, it comes down to knowing your history and not just the areas some people tend to focus on.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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Is it possible to over-inflate the attempted intentional genocide of an entire race?

36 Questions About the Holocaust (1-18)

There are those who deny the Holocaust and those who would like the world to just forget it happened so that it will be easier to repeat.

Better make that races. They were trying to commit genocide on many of the Slavic races as well. They surrounded and starved a million people in Leningrad alone.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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The Chinese killed 40 MILLION of their own, I would say that eclipses what happened to the Jews by a long shot. I would also add that Stalin killed more people than the Germans did, it comes down to knowing your history and not just the areas some people tend to focus on.
Those weren't directed at one specific ethnic group though. Yeah, Stalin probably wins the prize for the biggest mass murderer, but it wasn't genocide.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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Those weren't directed at one specific ethnic group though. Yeah, Stalin probably wins the prize for the biggest mass murderer, but it wasn't genocide.
What does it matter if it's an ethnic group or not? A life is a life.
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Old 04-10-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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I am not even saying that there are not antisemitic views in neighboring countries. But then again, that is not necessarily their fault. I guess Israel is unfortunately not rational and objective enough to look at the whole history of the Middle East mess, there is always that religious delusion in the background that makes people on both sides think some god is on their side.

If I were in charge in Israel, I would first bring about a fair solution to the Palestine problem, which is at the core of the hostilities, and at the same time I would start exchange programs with Iran and other such nations. When people meet people and show good will, they can bring about miracles. Often it is only the first step people are afraid of as nobody wants to appear gentle in that region where often there still is an old-testament kind of mentality.

Well put. I agree.

The article seemed like when dogs do fear aggression. We are nervous, so we will start saber rattling. I like your approach better.
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