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Old 04-16-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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We need to remove the private profit from the entire industry from greedy doctors to even greddier big insurance execs. A system that is government owned and staffed would cost far far less for the overall society.
Yeah, greedy bureaucrats will make our healthcare system so much better.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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With all the talk about overturning Obamacare, what is missing in the discussion is the fact that the private health insurance industry is expensive, inefficient and serves no real purpose.
I have failed to connect your post with your post title. Are you suggesting that health insurance companies spending money on advertising is the reason that health insurance is so expensive?
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Of course if the patient went down to their county social sevices and filled out an application for a spendown they would be covered by medicaire with a means tested deductible. Thats why Obamacare is a farce and all this grandma over the cliff the sky is falling is BS


50 million Americans dying in the streets

pft
You have to be practically destitute to qualify for medicaid. Medicare is the health plan for the elderly that is run through social security.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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I would hate Obamacare a little less if it actually addressed the cost side of health care and not just the insurance side of health care. Why it didn't include tearing down the insurance monopolies in states and allow people to shop across state lines? I think the intellectually honest knows damn well why, but then to use the commerce clause as the basis for its constitutionality when I can't even go outside my own state to purchase health insurance? That's a slap in the face.
Good questions. The real agenda is one of more centralized power and control.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Say what? I think you are confused on how private health care works in the U.S.

Germany, England, Canada, those are national health care systems that actually work.

The U.S. system is highly profitable, and it can increase its profit margins by denying healthcare to the sick. Aint that compassionate? God Bless America
I think you are confused on how private health care works in the U.S.

Profits are controlled by government.

Denying healthcare to the sick has no impact on profits.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Yeah, greedy bureaucrats will make our healthcare system so much better.

Like the guy said, "if you think health care is expensive today, wait until it's free".
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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Maybe if insurance companies (including Medicare), who want to pay out as little as they can get away with, and health care providers, who want to get paid as much as they can get away with, declared a truce... who am I kidding, that won't happen.

As in all wars, things escalate and rising healthcare prices indicate this war is no different.

We patients are caught in the middle, little understanding what is happening, except that it is costing US more money.
Good point. Except there IS a way out of this mess, at least a way out of about 70% of the mess. it's called:

--Easting a plant based diet. (Doesn't mean no meat, but less than we typically eat now
--Eating fewer or no processed foods
--Eating more fruits, vegetables, & whole grains
--Not smoking
--Regular moderate exercise.
--Brushing and flossing every day
--Moderate or no alcohol use (no more than 2 drinks per day for men, no more than one for women)

If everyone did the above we wouldn't NEED so much "healthcare". Costs would drop by 75% and that is no joke.

....the US Surgeon General reported that lifestyle choices are responsible for over 70% of diseases and account for more than 75% of health care costs.

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Old 04-16-2012, 08:16 PM
 
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With all the talk about overturning Obamacare, what is missing in the discussion is the fact that the private health insurance industry is expensive, inefficient and serves no real purpose. Pittsburgh has one of the most uncompetitive markets in the country for health insurance with Highmark Blue Cross' market share in Western Pennsylvania estimated to be in the 60 percent to 65 percent range. Pittsburgh spends more on hospital care per person than any other major U.S. city.

Highmark has recently experienced the firing of their CEO after he was arrested for a fistfight with the husband of his employee/mistress. This woman had recently negotiated a $15M sponsorship contract between Highmark and the PGA for the exclusive right to sponsor, equip and staff medical trailers at PGA Tour golfing events nationwide for the next four years. A recent article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette states: "The deal is irksome given that Highmark sought a nearly 10 percent rate hike in July for its lowest-income insurance product (eventually pulling back to 4.9 percent). It outsourced 150 back-office jobs 16 months ago, and is pursuing an aggressive drug formulary that will save employers money on generics but put specialty medicines beyond most people's reach."

See the article at: Remind us, Highmark: Why sponsor national PGA golf events?
The main problem problem with your post is that Obama care actually allows less tayloring of what is needed making all buy to mandated coverage and itself is managed by insurnace companies. It offers less choice to groups because of the mandated coverages. That has driven up price to those who adopted the mandates last october to be grandfather under its terms.It allows these increased cost to be transferred in many ways to those covered. In 2017 it also tranfers huge increrases in medicaid numbers to state taxpayers;thus Nelsen(D) insisting on exception because he said it would bankrupt nebraska. It mandates below a certain income people be placed on mediciad which state pay a part of. Even then from what CBO had learned since it will cost more and they now estimate that by 2020 15 million will not be covered. CBO scores based on assumption supplied by the bills writers remember.Even Obama in his debates with Hillary said that mandate to buy would not work and his campaign estimated 15 million woud not buy. He said enforced mandated coverage would be impossible also.Just has congress under Democrats have just cut medeicare remebursement to cover 500 billion in funds tranferrred to healthcare law and now faces chnagig those rates which are 30% of what average private insurances remebursement this so called assmptions of savings is failig when scorig the Healthcare bill.Withi a few months the writters said it needed fixes but now lack the numbers to do it. That is what rushig legislatio does especaily one this complex a issue. It basically increases spendig by the federal governamnt;by states i 2017 and stil does not do what it intended to do as CBO has now stated.
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:33 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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The main problem problem with your post is that Obama care actually allows less tayloring of what is needed making all buy to mandated coverage and itself is managed by insurnace companies. It offers less choice to groups because of the mandated coverages. That has driven up price to those who adopted the mandates last october to be grandfather under its terms.It allows these increased cost to be transferred in many ways to those covered. In 2017 it also tranfers huge increrases in medicaid numbers to state taxpayers;thus Nelsen(D) insisting on exception because he said it would bankrupt nebraska. It mandates below a certain income people be placed on mediciad which state pay a part of. Even then from what CBO had learned since it will cost more and they now estimate that by 2020 15 million will not be covered. CBO scores based on assumption supplied by the bills writers remember.Even Obama in his debates with Hillary said that mandate to buy would not work and his campaign estimated 15 million woud not buy. He said enforced mandated coverage would be impossible also.Just has congress under Democrats have just cut medeicare remebursement to cover 500 billion in funds tranferrred to healthcare law and now faces chnagig those rates which are 30% of what average private insurances remebursement this so called assmptions of savings is failig when scorig the Healthcare bill.Withi a few months the writters said it needed fixes but now lack the numbers to do it. That is what rushig legislatio does especaily one this complex a issue. It basically increases spendig by the federal governamnt;by states i 2017 and stil does not do what it intended to do as CBO has now stated.
I wanted to respond to your post but I have no idea what you are attempting to say.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:07 PM
 
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Yeah, greedy bureaucrats will make our healthcare system so much better.
The current system feeds bureaucrats. The only difference is that they're private-sector bureaucrats. And that there's more of them. No other modern country puts as high a percentage of its healthcare expenses into administration as does the US.
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