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Old 10-11-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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This one paragraph in your post demonstrates that you do not know or what Evolution is. I suggest that you stop before you paint yourself into a corner, and head over to your nearest college and sit in on a biology class or talk with a professor who teaches evolution. You need a refresher course.
Oh baloney. The basic point has nothing to do with what I understand or don't understand about evolution theory, or what may disagree with your understanding of it. The fact is, even evolutionists can't agree on the various versions of the theory.

So regardless of definitions, evolutionists continue to claim that evolution science disproves creation, when it doesn't even address the subject. The bottom line is, if evolution doesn't explain the origin of life, it therefore cannot possibly disprove any theory regarding the possible origin of life ... be it intelligent design, magic wand, or space aliens.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:09 AM
 
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Ah, the most common and overused(next to "evolution has nothing to do with abiogenisis) excuse used by evolutionists.

Can't you be original?
Because the Religiously Impaired keep making the same silly statements over and over again ad nauseum.

Therefore proving that:

Religious zealotry stops a thinking brain
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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The corollary is a thinking brain stops believing and begins observing. Teach Creationism and ID in Sunday school and Evolution in biology class then the kids can decide. The stupid and frightened will believe and the smart and thoughtful will accept science over sorcery.

The goal of the Fundie Fanatics is to prevent Evolution from being taught anywhere so their kids will be Believers and not thinkers. Observation and thought are the bane of faith and following.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:52 AM
 
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Because the Religiously Impaired keep making the same silly statements over and over again ad nauseum.

Therefore proving that:

Religious zealotry stops a thinking brain
My objection to Darwinian Evolution has nothing whatsoever to do with religion, and has everything to do with the gaping holes in the theory, so try again.

My objection, which borders on disgust, is how absurdly asinine the idea is that a bacteria could "evolve" into any of the more complex examples of life, let alone account for the Billions of various species that exists. And if one has even the most rudimentary understanding of what "genetic mutation" is, they would understand how preposterous the idea is to think that damage to the code could create greater complexity and expressions of higher life. Mutation, by nature is subtractive. So it's asinine to claim that subtraction, subtraction, subtraction, billions of times could produce a gain.

Digging deeper into the mutation and natural selection theory as postulated, first requires cell division to occur for a selection to be available. But since the cell must have instructions for that division, and we know that DNA provides those instructions, we have the problem of where did this DNA come from, including that complex set of instructions it stores in it's structure. The complexity, and the existence of a structured code similar to language, could not have formed by random natural processes, and therefore, the opposite then must be true ... DNA had to be designed to function the way that it does.

If one sets aside these evidence-less "beliefs", and approaches the issue from a strictly unbiased, logic based scientific perspective, one would be forced to consider the complexity of living cells and of DNA to preclude natural formation, which is random by nature. There is nothing random about either.
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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My objection to Darwinian Evolution has nothing whatsoever to do with religion, and has everything to do with the gaping holes in the theory, so try again.

My objection, which borders on disgust, is how absurdly asinine the idea is that a bacteria could "evolve" into any of the more complex examples of life, let alone account for the Billions of various species that exists. And if one has even the most rudimentary understanding of what "genetic mutation" is, they would understand how preposterous the idea is to think that damage to the code could create greater complexity and expressions of higher life. Mutation, by nature is subtractive. So it's asinine to claim that subtraction, subtraction, subtraction, billions of times could produce a gain.

Digging deeper into the mutation and natural selection theory as postulated, first requires cell division to occur for a selection to be available. But since the cell must have instructions for that division, and we know that DNA provides those instructions, we have the problem of where did this DNA come from, including that complex set of instructions it stores in it's structure. The complexity, and the existence of a structured code similar to language, could not have formed by random natural processes, and therefore, the opposite then must be true ... DNA had to be designed to function the way that it does.

If one sets aside these evidence-less "beliefs", and approaches the issue from a strictly unbiased, logic based scientific perspective, one would be forced to consider the complexity of living cells and of DNA to preclude natural formation, which is random by nature. There is nothing random about either.
So thanks for the uninformed straw man argument, but it just shows you don't understand evolution.

This might help:

DNA and Mutations
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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GnT does not need facts as he can invent his own reality and that reality requires a god thingy to create it. Nothing science can provide will change his mind because he prefers his fantasy to objective reality.

GnT - Nobody said the natural magic free world was easy to understand. Adding magic does make it easier but that understanding is fantasy not reality. Just because you do not understand how DNA was created does not mean it is a mystery to everyone. It just means you do not understand, and given your mindset, never will.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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So thanks for the uninformed straw man argument, but it just shows you don't understand evolution.

This might help:

DNA and Mutations
In reality, if you believe that the complexity of all that is in the Earth, from the highest orders of things down to the tiniest details, is all here by chance, then you obviously have to have a huge leap of faith to believe such.

The fact is that evolution has no scientific support. It is nothing more than half-truths, omissions, conjecture, irrational claims, and leaving one's brain at the door.

Godless leftists use words such as "backwards" and "uneducated" in practically every other sentence dealing with Creationism or something that doesn't put their god evolution in a good light, because they want to influence people to their way of thinking. It's nothing more than a p.r. campaign for them, and it always is, as they despise Christianity. Most, however, don't even truly understand the theory of evolution, or how it is supposed to operate. Most have very little scientific knowledge to know that is impossible and is nothing more than junk science.

By the way, most mutations are harmful. The overwhelming majority are.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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GnT does not need facts as he can invent his own reality and that reality requires a god thingy to create it. Nothing science can provide will change his mind because he prefers his fantasy to objective reality.

GnT - Nobody said the natural magic free world was easy to understand. Adding magic does make it easier but that understanding is fantasy not reality. Just because you do not understand how DNA was created does not mean it is a mystery to everyone. It just means you do not understand, and given your mindset, never will.
You have little understanding of DNA, so let's be honest. You simply claim to be an expert, like most on the left. Leftists have this thing about wanting to be seen as "educated". Let's be real, however. In most instances, when one has to claim being "educated" or "intelligent", they're usually neither.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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This might help:

DNA and Mutations
This university website has about the most easily laid out simplest explanations I could find. It's basically Evolution '101'.

Even my 16 year old daughter said she had already studied all this at school (in Australia), so any rational educated adult should find it fairly simple. I will understand if the mentally challenged Creationists/IDers still find it goes way over their heads and just dismiss it or create silly straw man arguments. Sadly, religious zealotry does seem to hinder rational thinking.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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When did I claim to be either "educated" or "intelligent"? Your assume so to make yourself and your ideas feel superior because they have not been contaminated by a "liberal" education.
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