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Old 04-15-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And yet, there you are, stealing the reputation people so much bigger than you, twisting their words to fit your agenda, to make it appear that they said things you damn well know they don't believe.

Look up the concept of "projection".
What did Gould mean then when he said that "transitional forms are generaly lacking"? He just wanted to say something that he didn't believe so he could fill empty air(or paper) with empty words? Hmnn. that is an...odd way of spending ones precious time.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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Obviously you are of the belief that a Court Justice is automatically infallible ... even if his opinion contradicts the beliefs of countless Billions of people for thousands of years? My what faith you have in a man wearing a black robe. Is it the robe that instills such blind faith? It certainly can't be logic or wisdom that facilitates such a trust, because I can find not one shred of logic or wisdom inherent in such a foolish act.

In any event, you really are wrong here .. on several fronts, aside the blind faith you place in a marginally "evolved" Lawyer ... of course, lawyers never lie or make things up, right?

First off, Darwinism could be construed as mother nature "Creating" life. You see, NOTHING exists in the material world that was not at some point "created". If it was never "created" then it would obviously never exist.

In fact, humans have long been co-creators of life by means of sexual activity (except for liberals ) and the propagation of the species has relied on that act of creation to avoid extinction. Boiled down further, the male sperm fertilizing the female egg can also be described as the accompanying act of human creation. Boiled down even further, we have the processes that create the egg and the sperm. And boiled down further, the cells create new cells that make up the molecules that constitute the human structure that create those eggs and sperm. And so on and so forth!

Fact is, Baby ... we've got some serious creating goin' on round cheer!!

So be careful with the word games, else you be hoisted by your own petard.
Ok, what created god.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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What did Gould mean then when he said that "transitional forms are generaly lacking"? He just wanted to say something that he didn't believe so he could fill empty air(or paper) with empty words? Hmnn. that is an...odd way of spending ones precious time.
You have been informed via Gould himself exactly what he meant and yet you continue to cherry pick. That isnt particularly honest.
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Point Hope Alaska
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ONE FACT; That evolunists can't explain is the HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS OF PAUL THE APOSTLE

THE HISTORICAL FACT: That outside of the bible; many other people wrote about Jesus Christ.

Each of those two historical figures are all the PROOF I need to squelch your ARGUMENT -
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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What did Gould mean then when he said that "transitional forms are generaly lacking"? He just wanted to say something that he didn't believe so he could fill empty air(or paper) with empty words? Hmnn. that is an...odd way of spending ones precious time.
He was not - repeat, not - attacking the idea that evolution took place, mostly because he was a very, very competent biologist and as such very familiar with the evidence. He felt, however, that the evidence better supported a hypothesis of evolution happening at an uneven pace - long intervals of relatively low change rates interspersed with brief intervals where evolutionary pressure forced much higher change rates. (For macroscopic changes, a high change rate is still very slow on a human timescale.) This gave birth to the idea of "punctuated equilibrium".

It was part of a debate on how evolution happened, not if. Nobody in Gould's intended audience doubted evolution at all.

Anyway, Gould accounted better for it, as was posted above. If someone still insists that Gould actually meant something else, they're deliberately trying to deceive.

Anyway, if you're actually interested in he modern ToE, you can hardly do better than picking up one of the excellent recent books - I'd suggest "The Blind Watchmaker" by Dawkins. He spends about 400 pages and barely scratches the surface.
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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ONE FACT; That evolunists can't explain is the HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS OF PAUL THE APOSTLE

THE HISTORICAL FACT: That outside of the bible; many other people wrote about Jesus Christ.

Each of those two historical figures are all the PROOF I need to squelch your ARGUMENT -
What bearing does the existence of a troublesome rabbi named Yeshua have on the fact that speciation takes place though modified descent?
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The creationist never, ever produce evidence to back up their argument as they have none. The only weapon that creationists have in their arsenal is attempts to refute the tons of evidence that evolution is indeed a fact..At this they always fail miserably....To me that is blind willful denial.
They make statements like "Evolution is an attempt to destroy creationism" when in fact evolution is merely one of many discoveries of science which has no agenda, no thoughts or motive except discovery.

Creation is not a threat to evolution in any way, whereas magical thinking (creation) is in this case a threat to the integrity of the education system and should only be taught in a class that acknowledges it for what it is...Mythology.
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Creation is not a threat to evolution in any way, whereas magical thinking (creation) is in this case a threat to the integrity of the education system and should only be taught in a class that acknowledges it for what it is...Mythology.
Mythology class? That would be a good place to teach evolution.
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Mythology class? That would be a good place to teach evolution.

wrong. the only thng that belongs in mythology are fairy tales. The Bible is a book of fairy tales.

Evolution is a fact based science, with thousands upon thousands of researched and imperical data.

creationism is the word of a fictional being.


You show with every post that you can't discern fiction from reality.
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Old 04-15-2012, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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wrong. the only thng that belongs in mythology are fairy tales. The Bible is a book of fairy tales.

Evolution is a fact based science, with thousands upon thousands of researched and imperical data.

creationism is the word of a fictional being.


You show with every post that you can't discern fiction from reality.
The bold text is your opinion.

You show with many posts that you can't discern fact from opinion.
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