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Old 04-13-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Creationism relies on nothing more than beliefs and has no logical place in academic education.
Kinda like evolution...
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Kinda like evolution...
Nothing like evolution.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:34 AM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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I have no issue with "micro-evolution" within species. "Macro-evolution" and speciation? BIG problems.
This is a great example of how your education system is failing...Accepting myth in favor of fact is what is standing in your way, and this illustrates why myths such as creationism are not an alternative to reality (evolution) and have no place in schools except perhaps in a mythology class.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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This is a great example of how your education system is failing...Accepting myth in favor of fact is what is standing in your way, and this illustrates why myths such as creationism are not an alternative to reality (evolution) and have no place in schools except perhaps in a mythology class.
I don't accept myths - the proof is that I reject evolution.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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I don't accept myths - the proof is that I reject evolution.
Macro-evolution, remember?

You don't reject micro-evolution. Just macro-evolution. Why, I don't know, but that's what you've said.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't accept myths - the proof is that I reject evolution.
You're consistent...

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The gospels record the resurrection of Jesus and were written from the details provided by eyewitnesses.. Futhermore these eyewitnesses were executed for refusing to state the resurrection did not occur and they died in horrific ways. Do you suppose that someone would die a torturous death that they could have easily avoided if what they claimed was not true? The Christian martyrs(especially the disciples) offer rather compelling verification.

I have written records to verify my claims. You only have conjecture based on a flawed theory for which the validity of was even questioned by Darwin himself. Solid evidence for your position is lacking.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Kinda like evolution...
Religious people are just too stubborn.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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I don't accept myths - the proof is that I reject evolution.
Which means that you do not take the Bible literally.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: WA
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Yeah, its why I don't advocate deriving the Hardy Weinberg equation in high school classes. There's no reason for the students to know it, it confuses them more than it clarifies things and it takes time away from talking about speciation/reproductive isolation mechanisms.

Teachers spend SO much time on HW. It's fine if you have other goals: reinforcing quantitative skills or introducing say, Chi square analysis. But if you spend a lecture just on that? In an intro bio class where there's a gazillion other things to touch upon, I just think that lecture could be better spent.


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This is a great example of how your education system is failing...Accepting myth in favor of fact is what is standing in your way, and this illustrates why myths such as creationism are not an alternative to reality (evolution) and have no place in schools except perhaps in a mythology class.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Which means that you do not take the Bible literally.
Its just that you've not asked him for any evidence.
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