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Old 04-12-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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I already did please read my comments before asking me a question I already answered. Thank you and have nice day.
Actually you've only offered up your biases and suspicions. Not any facts.

 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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Actually you've only offered up your biases and suspicions. Not any facts.
I read through his comments and am still trying to figure out the reasons it will be an indoctrination course and not just a course teaching about Marxism.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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You are being paranoid. Asserting that this is an indoctrination effort based on nothing more than your suspicions. Paranoia.
Gee maybe I'm saying that its indoctrination since the course is being taught by socialists who obviously agree with what Marx says. The course is not being taught by professors who are neutral since they would talk about what happens when communism is actually put into practice in the real world and not just Marx in theory. Essentially these professors are going to be preaching nothing more nothing less.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Part of the course. You will be required to forge a community connection in an occupy movement.
You will learn how NOT to get caught on camera crapping on a police car.
Male students will learn how to rape women and not get caught.
You will learn how easy it is to sell drugs in a crowd.
You will learn how to construct a tent, even though it is prohibited.
You will learn how to form a phony 501 c 3 and keep all the money for yourself.
You will learn how to beg for food and toilet facilites.
You will learn how it feels to not take a shower for two weeks.
You will experience getting pepper sprayed with eyes burning.
You will get first hand experience of being arrested, hands behind your back with plastic ties. Thrown in a van to a booking facility, being fingerprinted, photo taken, thrown in a holding cell with a dozen other people who haven't showered for two weeks.
You will make a call to your Dad, 'The $4000 you gave me for the MARXIST' course didn't work as planned. I need another $4000 for a lawyer'.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Actually you've only offered up your biases and suspicions. Not any facts.
Yes because your obvious deflection from the fact Marx was an idiot and came up with ideology that is inhuman since it goes against your beliefs is not bias at all.

You have be extremely ignorant not to realize this course is indoctrination.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I read through his comments and am still trying to figure out the reasons it will be an indoctrination course and not just a course teaching about Marxism.
If you can't figure it out by now you never will.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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Since it's an indoctrination course nothing more nothing less.
I don't have a problem with most of your post, it is your polemics because they are not particularly egregious. What I do have a problem with is this meme that that college age students are as malleable and incapable of critical thought as such an argument would lead one to believe. And as the father of a college student I can testify, without equivocation, that they are not, especially with when it comes to their malleability - trust me, I have 20 years of experience in that regard.

With regards to the classes that you find offensive, if that is the right word, I suspect that the students who will be enrolling in these elective classes will come predisposed to the courses content, although there could be a few students who hold contrarian, or ambivalent views who will enroll in the class for the just the fun of it. But, no one is being forced to take these classes and there certainly is little deception in the course descriptions.

So what is the objection to the institution granting such educational freedom to both the student teachers or the students, who as I mentioned, are predisposed to the subject matter? As far as I can tell your objection is based upon your disagreement with the subject matter and perhaps the fact that the "other side" isn't being presented. Well I hate to point this out, but elective courses regardless of subject are not always about objectivity, it is assumed that is the roll for students, to weigh the material presented, apply their own critical thinking and walk way with more knowledge than they walked in with.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: North America
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Question, are these classes a requirement?

No?

Then relax.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Most Ivy League universities have been contaminated with Marxism for a long time now. It is unbelievable that there are people out who "pay" or better yet, borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars to be indoctrinated and trained to regurgitate all this BS and nonsense they hear from these good for nothing, loser Marxist professors. There is definitely a lot of stupid people in our society.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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Gee maybe I'm saying that its indoctrination since the course is being taught by socialists who obviously agree with what Marx says. The course is not being taught by professors who are neutral since they would talk about what happens when communism is actually put into practice in the real world and not just Marx in theory. Essentially these professors are going to be preaching nothing more nothing less.
So a Catholic professor can't teach a class on Martin Luther, or on Calvinism, or on Hinduism or Buddhism or Taoism or on the Church of England or Henry VIII or Evangelicalism. Because if a Catholic professor teaches anything that touches on religion, the class is all about indoctrination?

And we'll need to know exactly what school of thought all the teachers in the Psychology program follow, right? Because we wouldn't want any behaviorists teaching a class on Freud; obviously they just want to indoctrinate students. And what particular economic theories do the economics professors ascribe to? Wouldn't want any Keynesians trying to indoctrinate anyone.

And if the sociology teacher actually talks about Whyte in the real world, then the quantitative sociologists should move for disciplinary measures. Because we don't want to talk about when sociological analysis that is narrative in style is actually used to describe sociological phenomena. We only want statistical analysis, right?

Your assumption that "these professors are going to be preaching nothing more nothing less" is not a fact. It's an example of how your bias and prejudice obscures your vision of reality. I can assure you that socialist teachers can teach students about capitalism, the good and the bad, without indoctrinating anyone. And those same socialists can teach students about world history or philosophy or dialectical materialism. And the students, they aren't mindless idiots. Some of the best arguments I've ever had have been in classrooms with teachers and students exchanging ideas and opinions. Just like on this forum, people don't change their minds at the whim of others. People can and do think for themselves. Even, or especially, in college.
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