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Translation from punk-***** message board speak: "I just lost the argument and am now going to claim the things I was just saying are now irrelevant and huff and go back to surfing porn."
There was no argument, and you never presented one.
You just came on here and opened up a crybaby thread in an effort to look for reinforcement because you aren't strong enough to believe in your own ideals.
See how that works? Don't try to call me out because you'll come out on the losing end of that.
You might not be all-black, but you're black enough to know what i know without me telling it to you. And every other black poster on here knows EXACTLY what i'm talking about. So you can play this silly ass game if you want to and of course these white folks will fall for it. But you and i know.
Nonsense. In this day and age, black people make a bigger issue of it than white people do. Another example is Tiger Woods. Need I say more? Tiger identified himself as mixed with various races instead of soley identifying as black (mind you , he never said anything against black folks), yet many were upset, dissapointed and considerd him a "sell out." The fact that he married and shared his wealth and genetics with the blondest of the blonde nord was the last staple.
What happened? The black community wanted to disown him. Many if not most were appalled at the very idea of who he married and what he called himself. And many were jubeliant, ecstatic and celebratory when he supposedly got harsh treatment for his filandering with random white women. Most blacks who didn't agree with his choice of what to identify as were happy that he got his supposed "wake up call." Luckily for Tiger black people have little to do with who lines his pockets.
Wanted to mention that as a black woman that I love Tiger Woods and didn't think anything regarding the race of his wife or what he calls himself ever...at all. He is a great golfer. I was just disappointed that he was not doing so great at golf after his divorce and public humiliation in regards to his serial cheating.
As a woman, and a black woman at that, I do not like cheating and I felt bad for his wife and feel he got what was coming to him in that arena, but I still root for him in golf as he is one of my favorites.
I play a little golf BTW so am a fan and a player. Like most black people, I am not hung up on race. And I will admit that most of the black people I knew who heard what Tiger used to call himself, when he said it on Oprah as what he called himself as a child, not something that he used currently - "cau-bla-nasian" - they (the black people and a lot of the white people I knew) thought it was pretty hilarious and still referred to him as black.
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Originally Posted by jerseygal4u
On another note,throughout history it was the mulattos who seperated theIn any event,I will go by what I see with my own eyes. He can say all he wants about mulattos being treated worse,but my eyes say different. I see wayyyyyyyyyyy more prejudice toward very dark skinned blacks by lighter skinned blacks than dark skinned blacks toward mulattos.
I also agree with this. My mother and grandmother are extremely dark skinned. They are the same hue as Obama's family in that picture, if not a little darker. Ironically, my mom's side of the family has a whole lot more white blood and even some Native American (something I didn't believe until my great grandmother told me about her trip to a reservation as a child to visit relatives and I got some info to back up her story, her mother had some Cherokee cousins) than my father's side. My father is what many black people call "high yellow" or "red bone" down here in the south where I live currently. I am originally from OH. My grandmother was severely teased as a girl. She was the only one of her 4 siblings who was dark skinned like her father. My mother looks just like her even though her own father was a medium brown, a little darker than Obama. My mother was also severely teased and even called horrible names that I remember, when she was an adult. My dad, who is high yellow, has never been seen as anything other than handsome. Dark skinned men came into style with Wesley Snipes in the late 80s/early 90s but before that and even now many people see dark skinned black people in a much more negative light (even black people) than a lighter skinner person - who has "good hair" and who is usually thought to be more refined and beautiful than a darker person. I even know black girls when I was in high schools who wanted to have babies by Mexicans so their babies wouldn't be dark.
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Originally Posted by ChocLot
OP,
What will it take for you to realize that the black people on this forum don't care if you choose to identify as black? Would you rather take the word of teens and drunks at a bar?
I'm sure there are plenty of "black pride" folks who don't like when biracial/multiracial people don't identify as black. But, don't assume that all black people are this way. Because of all of the race mixing that resulted from slavery, you'd be hard pressed to find an African-American in the US without some European DNA. Same with whites...some folks would get a HUGE wake-up call if they realized that their ancestors "passed" to start a white family line.
In the end, DO WHAT YOU WANT!!! Folks have told you this on this thread. Why do you disregard it just to fuss about folks not allowing you the freedom to choose?
Are you not grown? Are you not a man? If so to both of these questions, aren't you strong enough to state your claim and to hell with naysayers?
Stop focusing on the negative in the black race. We are a race of beautiful, strong, intelligent and determined people. You're doing your "black side" a disservice when you associate black without everything wrong and negative.
While you claim that you are only looking to acknowledge all sides of your heritage, your problems seem to run deeper. The way you talk negatively about the black race and women seems to suggest that you are incredibly insecure. Any educated person knows that there are "bad apples" in all races; the intelligent thing to do is focus on the POSITIVE.
Repped this one. Wanted to post it again since the OP ignored it just like he ignored my original post. The majority of the blacks who posted on your thread don't care if you don't want to be black.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
AND THAT IS THE STORY OF THE LIVES OF SO MANY MIXED BLACK PEOPLE!
Whites are kind of like "meh, whatev" or "I here you." Blacks are, half the time, "I hear you, I understand that you have two peoples and at the end of the day, you don't really belong to either and blacks can be absolute douche bags at times."
The other half of blacks?....
So you are saying that "half" of all black people are like the NBPP?? I think you don't know too many black people or you hang out with a lower class of blacks. I feel so bad for you.
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Originally Posted by btsilver
Oy. Just a couple of things.
First the "black" people or "African Americans" in this country are basically a mixed race. That really isn't an arguable point.
Second, I wonder what is really going on in the mind of the OP when he attributes negative stereotypes that he has found in his hood to the masses of the "black" people in this country.
1) Your educated "black" folk are still most likely to be democrats or independents like myself. They are not going to look at you and think that if you speak "proper" that you shouldn't be respected.
2) We are all mixed, some more than others. Personally, I would have preferred if we were all just call American. I'm "black" and? If I was in Brazil I'd be Pardo. If I was in South Africa I'd be called Coloured or whatever. If I went to the middle east, I would blend in just fine if I keep my hair short lol. My family comes in all colors because we have more than just African blood running through us. Hell, my son is lighter than me and my wife is as dark as they come. Big whoop, who should care? Maybe instead of focusing on race so much, maybe you should focus on race not meaning so much...
You should take the advice of the bolded quote above OP. Honestly since this has been going on so long, I think you just want to whine and have a "woe is me" moment.
Oh, and wanted to ask you. How many people at the AME church said insulting things to you?? Also how old were they??
I so don't believe you in regards to church. Black people are really nice to visitors at church, and this is coming from a black "heathen" (I am an admitted black female atheist but I am nice and go to church with my mom on occasion, who attends an AME church as did the majority of my family for many generations). All of my family know about my lack of religion as does most of the people at my family's church and I am probably the same skin tone as you, my great-grandmother, who was a prominent member of the church and her own mother were listed as "mullato" on many a census a record, they both had blue eyes and were a beautiful brown. Both were accepted and not treated harshly in church. I really just feel you are pulling your "woe is me" straw to try to make it seem like you are suffering so much.
Like the other black posters said, go and be whatever you want. We don't care.
I really don't get why Desertdetroiter is debating with you about not wanting to be called black only. His wife is white and his child is biracial. I don't understand that poster.
Guilt probably. It's hard to be some type pro-Black radical if you have a white wife and your kid is not considered Black by many Blacks. I have several Black male friends who have white wives/girlfriends and biracial children and they get defensive when you say their children are mixed.
Folks need to own who they are and stop trying to foist their issues on others.
Your lost all credibility when you said blacks won't respect you when you speak proper English. Hang with your racist buddies who see you as son type of trophy black and move on. Do you, I don't think anyone cares.
You have the same mentality aa racist whites towards blacks.
I guess it depends on the age and class of Blacks one hangs with. The OP appears young and it's well known that young Blacks view Blacks who speak "white" with derision.
That was my personal experience and that of thousands if not millions of other Blacks.
You still see some of this attitude among Black adults although admittedly much less than in young Black kids.
That has never been true. I don't know where you got that from.
I had to scratch my head at the one. Although it must be said these groups are not of Sub-Saharan African lineage and their DNA is actually the most unrelated to African DNA on the planet. Maybe that's what jersey is getting at.
Guilt probably. It's hard to be some type pro-Black radical if you have a white wife and your kid is not considered Black by many Blacks. I have several Black male friends who have white wives/girlfriends and biracial children and they get defensive when you say their children are mixed.
Folks need to own who they are and stop trying to foist their issues on others.
Guilt? Sh*t....i can count the amount of times i've ever felt guilty in my life on half of my hand.
Guilt should be going to two HBCU's and taking advantage of Affirmative Action all while denouncing it now. Besides, i'm man enough that when i brought my wife home, my folks respected my decision while someone else around here brought home a non-black and got dressed down by his father. I don't respect a man who can't even garner respect from his own father to make his own decisions.
Some folks need to check themselves before getting out of pocket with people that have their game together.
If your friends get defensive, then that's a signal that you're hanging around some wimpy ass black folks....and of course, i'm not surprised seeing as they're friends of yours to begin with. I wouldn't even bother to get defensive (you'd never be in my circle anyway...i'm far more selective)....i've said on here a million times that my son is mixed.
So you'd do better to find another poster to belittle.
For the tenth time, what if someone looks neither black nor white? And yes, mixed people look different from light skinned blacks: I'm shorter than about 90% of blacks (southern Italians tend to be runts...) my hair is a curly mess (mixed hair...oi!) and my nose is different. Again, everybody thinks I'm Latino when they first meet me...so am I from Honduras and didn't know it?
No, ALL "mixed" people do not look different from the average light-skinned black. Some do, while others don't. Case in point: Obama. Why do you care if others think you look Latino? Why are the opinions of strangers of such importance to you?
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
So if Obama clicked "white" on the census box, you wouldn't be angry with him, nor would the black community?
I can't speak for the "black community." But personally, I don't care what he checked, or how he chooses to self-identify. That's his business, not mine. I don't hate my aunt for choosing to be white. So, why on earth would I hate Obama, or any other biracial person for their racial identity preference?
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It wasn't just the census: Obama has made it clear that he hates being mixed (read his first book if you don't believe me) And yes, I would love to be a human being and nothing else...but people want let me, you or anyone else do so.
Your thread title indicates you have chosen to no longer be black. Yet, you continue to bash Obama. Do you actually not see the hypocrisy?
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
It happened, ironically, at an AME church (which, btw, I hated and only went there because a friend asked me to go) It is a fact that blacks have a problem with mixed people. Just deal with it.
No, I will not just deal with it. This is utter BS, and you know it. It's just another attempt to demonize black people in your pathetic quest for white acceptance.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
I have heard white people INSIST that racism is dead in America and doesn't EVER happen. Now, I hear a black saying the same thing about racism against mixed people in the black community. You're just as purposely naive as they are.
You have your experiences, and I have mine. In my world, I have not witnessed racism against biracial people. But, I am not denying its existence. Rather, the prevalence of such by black people against those with a biracial background. Again, my mother, her siblings, my son, and other relatives and friends have not encountered such behavior from black Americans. In fact, the only incidents I am aware of involving my mother were as a child, when a white boy at school called her a n****r; and several years ago, when an African cab driver dared to call her a mongrel. She handled both quite nicely. My son has lived 20 years without incident. Perhaps your attitude is the real culprit.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
In the US, in the year 2012, mixed people have it rough in both the black and white world. To say that blacks are fine with mixed people is like saying there is no racism at all in America.
I am black, and I don't have a problem with biracial people. Stop assuming you know the hearts and minds of every black person in this country. You don't. Why are you trying so hard to portray black Americans as racists?
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
You're right: being called names, treated as a stranger amongst my "own kind" and made to feel like a freak, EVEN AMONGST MEMBERS OF MY OWN FAMILY, had nothing to do with my feeling bad. You're right. And yes, many of my white family members are downright evil too: Me and and my siblings and father were forbidden from going to an Aunt's wedding, and she and an uncle just didn't like us. My grandparents were cool, but the other ones had issues.
But, they never denied that I was mixed, just too black for them.
The bold is your REAL issue. You're unhappy because you haven't been embraced by your Italian family. Unless you intend to be miserable for the remainder of your life, you must learn to love yourself, hold your head high, and move on. My mother and her siblings were also shunned by their racist grandparents. Consequently, they didn't know any of their German relatives. But, they didn't allow the bigotry of others to control their lives. Sadly, you do.
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Oh, and then there's this little gem that I really should have brought up earlier...is this somehow not racist? And if a white person said this about mixed people, would it NOT have made headlines and resulted in all hell breaking out? But, a black guy is racist against mixed people, and as usual it's perfectly okay, and I'm wrong for being offended by this according to many blacks.
So, now Kanye West is the spokesperson for Black America?
Bottom line: You are free to call yourself whatever you so desire. Most black posters have clearly stated we simply don't care. Why is that not enough?
How are you no longer black?
You can't just wish your black blood away. You can't just say "He He" do a 360 spin and hope all your color will be gone.
I noticed people on this thread saying blacks have problems with mixed people. That is total BS.
I'm AA, Puerto Rican, Cherokee, and Portugeese and nobody has ever had a problem with that...
and I live in black community.
Nobody has ever gave me dirty looks or disowned me.
OP, why do you care what these people think? You claim you want to embrace your Italian heritage so go ahead and do it. But, you can't just turn your back on your black heritage just because some people in your family.
You will also have tons of Italians who will disclaim you too. Some Italians don't even like blacks. They will call you a "moolie" and disclaim you as fast as the blacks in your family did.
Note: Moolie is a derogatory term that Italians use for blacks.
I guess it depends on the age and class of Blacks one hangs with. The OP appears young and it's well known that young Blacks view Blacks who speak "white" with derision.
That was my personal experience and that of thousands if not millions of other Blacks.
You still see some of this attitude among Black adults although admittedly much less than in young Black kids.
You share his same views on American blacks, I view you the same way u view him. One thing about racists is usually they're too ignorant to even consider the other side of the argument. You and alot of white posters same thus same trait.
Nothing wrong with a debate but when people don't even care what you say but becomes quite pointless to continue onward.
This I'll say: the Black posters here are all over the map about victorianpunk's feelings about his family but almost all the white posters here back him up.
Yet ask those same White posters, "How many of you would also be enthusiatic with this self-declared non-Black Black guy marrying your White daughter?" and watch all of those same folks quickly put their hands down.
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