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But there is evidence of this official school record that shows a name change (Barry Soetoro) and shows a different citizenship (Indonesia). Is this a fake?
nope. but it is not evidence of an official name change. as pointed out earlier in this thread both clinton and ford used their stepfather's surname for years ( clinton 10, ford 19 ) before legally changing it.
another thing the school record lists is place of birth: honolulu, USA
so, let's look at what is required for indonesian citizenship.....:
Indonesian Citizenship Requirements:
* being the age of 18 years or older, or being married. obama was 10 and unmarried when he left indonesia
* when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years obama had lived there 4
* physically and mentally healthy
* can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945
* never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more
* if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship obama had US citizenship at could not renounce it at that time (see below )
* employed or have fixed income obama was unemployed
* pay the citizenship fee
.......................
the US state department does not allow minors to renounce US citizenship nor does it allow a third party, including parents, to do it for them.
from the US state dept:
F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
nope. but it is not evidence of an official name change. as pointed out earlier in this thread both clinton and ford used their stepfather's surname for years ( clinton 10, ford 19 ) before legally changing it.
another thing the school record lists is place of birth: honolulu, HI USA
so, let's look at what is required for indonesian citizenship.....:
Indonesian Citizenship Requirements:
* being the age of 18 years or older, or being married. obama was 10 and unmarried when he left indonesia
* when applying, having resided in Indonesian for a minimum of 5 consecutive years or 10 non consecutive years obama had lived there 4
* physically and mentally healthy
* can speak the Indonesian language and acknowledge Pancasila and Undang-Undang Dasar Negara Republik Indonesia Tahun 1945
* never convicted of a crime for which the punishment is imprisonment for one year or more
* if having Indonesian citizenship will not give the person dual citizenship obama had US citizenship at could not renounce it at that time (see below )
* employed or have fixed income obama was unemployed
* pay the citizenship fee
.......................
the US state department does not allow minors to renounce US citizenship nor does it allow a third party, including parents, to do it for them.
from the US state dept:
F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
There are no records in either the US or Indonesia of any name change, or any change of citizenship for Barack Obama.
I posted the school record as proof that a form did show Obama with a different name and that it said he was Indonesian. That is all. There is no denying that record does show it. We do not know if Obama's name was legally changed at one point.
Yes you have to ask where in the bible does it say don't divide my land when any simple search would give you those results; you suddenly ask me to provide the link.
This is because Google cannot find what does not exist.
The command "Do not divide my land," does not exist anywhere in the Bible... as far as I can tell.
If you can prove me wrong, I'd be deeply appreciative.
But there is evidence of this official school record that shows a name change (Barry Soetoro) and shows a different citizenship (Indonesia). Is this a fake?
It provides no evidence whatsoever of either a legal name change or the assumption of Indonesian citizenship. Legal actions such as those are not recorded in the fourth generation hearsay of a handwritten school registration. They exist in court records and the records of a country's Naturalization service. The State Department (through our Embassy in Jakarta) has direct access to such records in Indonesia.
But there is evidence of this official school record that shows a name change (Barry Soetoro) and shows a different citizenship (Indonesia). Is this a fake?
Even assuming that the picture you posted is not a fake, and I am not prepared to make that assumption, can you understand the fact that just because someone in a foreign country writes something on a piece of paper it does not affect the citizenship of an American citizen?
Even assuming that the picture you posted is not a fake,....
it's legit. it's his elementary school admissions paper work that was filled out, most likely by lolo soetoro, when obama was 6 and before he entered the country.
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.... can you understand the fact that just because someone in a foreign country writes something on a piece of paper it does not affect the citizenship of an American citizen?
as pointed out earlier, it runs contradictory to the citizenship laws of both the US and indonesia.
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