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Unlike some people on this forum, I don't have to make things up. What I do know is that you were not there, you don't know, I do. Too bad if you don't like the reality that people abuse the crap out of the system constantly.
There are more people that abide by the rules than there are those who do not
BS, just because YOU didn't verify income doesn't mean PHA's don't routinely do so. Talking to a friend, a retired section 8 administrator with CMHA, the oldest PHA, they verify income, period.
I worked for HUD for 3 years. We did NOT check income data with the IRS, because we there was no way to do so. The IRS and HUD are two separate federal Departments, autonomous, with legal concerns about privacy, and the IRS does NOT provide information to HUD. Even if it were legally and bureaucratically possible today, the time it takes the IRS to respond to ANY request would prohibit requiring their verification before approving applications for aid.
Also, many who applied for HUD aid had not filed tax returns in many, years, because they were not legally require to do so--they did not have enough income reported to the IRS, so this did not trigger any inquiry or audit.
At HUD we accepted the applicant's application and asked for whatever verification they could (wanted to) provide. As long as we had something in the file, that was good enough. I was told that our mission was to provide federal money to applicants, and not to file (or report on) anything that would disqualify the application. In my 3 years, not once did I deny an application for housing aid, though the individuals who applied had generally already received other HUD money and knew the routine. Had the program I administered not existed, local homebuyers would have saved a significant tax on their mortgages, and not a single truly needy person (in my opinion) would have missed out on financial aid.
I could not agree more that HUD should be eliminated. It was the most corrupt of all the government agencies I worked for, and staffed with the most corrupt administration. This Department was utterly without redeeming qualities, and was in large part responsible for my current Libertarian beliefs.
Last edited by buzzards27; 04-18-2012 at 03:07 PM..
Section 8 isn't destroying neighborhoods. Few people actually have section 8 vouchers. They are very hard to get.
The problem is that once you get one, if you follow a few rules, you get to work as little as you want for the rest of your life.
Take two equal, low-income families, living in two equal apartments. One lives in an apartment and pays $800, so the person or persons working have to work a fair amount to afford it. The other one is lucky enough to have a section 8 voucher, so the head of the household works 8 hours per week, pays 1/3 of that for rent (maybe ~$50), and the federal government picks up the rest of the $750 tab.
This is ridiculous. I'd 100% support some sort of temporary rent assistance fund over this crap.
It doesn't really matter much to me what some politician says, I will NEVER - under ANY circumstances - rent to a Section 8 tenant. It's a 100% guarantee that they're going to destroy the house.
I'll sell all my properties before I'll EVER do that.
I was a section 8 voucher tenant for a few years in a private residence. Landlord still brags to others on what a great tenant I was and still say they will never, ever find a tenant as good as I was. Paid my share of rent 6 months in advance. Did most of my own repairs. Kept the house cleaner than any other tenant before or since.
You, Big George, are very ignorant and don't know whereof you speak.
Last edited by Al Zymers; 04-18-2012 at 03:43 PM..
I was a section 8 voucher tenant for a few years in a private residence. Landlord still brags to others on what a great tenant I was and still say they will never, ever find a tenant as good as I was. Paid my share of rent 6 months in advance. Did most of my own repairs. Kept the house cleaner than any other tenant before or since.
You, Big George, are very ignorant and don't know whereof you speak.
You better watch out. According to all the people on this forum you once was a gang-banger and a freeloader who wanted to live off the government for your whole life.
You better watch out. According to all the people on this forum you once was a gang-banger and a freeloader who wanted to live off the government for your whole life.
Nope, I never signed up for government cheese......
Some of these forum folk will also despise you if you ever, ever received food stamps.
They will say you are destroying America.
Last edited by Al Zymers; 04-18-2012 at 04:27 PM..
I was a section 8 voucher tenant for a few years in a private residence. Landlord still brags to others on what a great tenant I was and still say they will never, ever find a tenant as good as I was. Paid my share of rent 6 months in advance. Did most of my own repairs. Kept the house cleaner than any other tenant before or since.
You, Big George, are very ignorant and don't know whereof you speak.
Oh great an anecdotal story to disprove the data cited in the article.
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