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Old 04-22-2012, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Assimiliation was success in earlier generations of [insert your favorite country/culture] when there was something eminently valuable in being part of the United States. See it in the generations who came in the 19th thru mid-20century.

Strange that there was less Federal/State control then but it was more by the people acknowledging on their own to become Americans not hyphenated Americans.

Something is always easier when it is voluntary rather than forced.

 
Old 04-22-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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Assimiliation was success in earlier generations of [insert your favorite country/culture] when there was something eminently valuable in being part of the United States. See it in the generations who came in the 19th thru mid-20century.

Strange that there was less Federal/State control then but it was more by the people acknowledging on their own to become Americans not hyphenated Americans.

Something is always easier when it is voluntary rather than forced.
For the most part the people that "assimilated" the most successfully were perceived as social equals.

I'll repeat this again there isn't a hell of a lot of motivation for people to assimilate into a social system where they are not perceived as equals.
 
Old 04-22-2012, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Do you agree that Hispanics don't assimilate?

Are we the Borg?
Why must they conform to someones """Real America"""
 
Old 04-22-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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How much assimilation can a hispanic/visible minority expect to achieve when many Americans immediately view a Hispanic/visible minority as an illegal alien,some one of suspect character, proverbially one of "them","the others","those people" so to speak, some one who's mere presence brings forth the question does he have a green card?
I wouldnt wonder why they dont assimilate i'd more wonder why they'd want to..
Exactly, you have these people running around insulting, disrespecting, harassing, and discriminating against a group of people and then turning around say "Hey we want you to be just like us".

Even if you do make an effort to assimilate, guess what, you are STILL insulted, disrespected, harassed, and discriminated against.

I mean REALLY!
 
Old 04-22-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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Are we the Borg?
Why must they conform to someones """Real America"""
Because it's all about one group trying to maintain POWER in an environment where the demographics are not changing in their favor.
 
Old 04-22-2012, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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For the most part the people that "assimilated" the most successfully were perceived as social equals.

I'll repeat this again there isn't a hell of a lot of motivation for people to assimilate into a social system where they are not perceived as equals.

Not true. Hence all of the polish jokes, swede jokes, wop, ****, etc. Irish and chinese, japanese, etc. prevalent in the major phases of immigration for those respective groups.

Main factor then was lack of gov't assistance. It was sink or swim. Being known as a contributor to society as opposed to being a leach is the leavening factor.

Yesterday's immigrants once assimilated become tomorrow's stalwart citizens upholding the unique sense of being an American. Something you do not see today with all of the hyphenated Americans.

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Old 04-22-2012, 08:25 AM
 
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The Spanish colonial system relied on selling huge land grants and monopoly powers over various goods in order for the crown to profit. This stiffling of competition led to the problems all former Spanish colonies suffer today.
I'm sure that's part of the problem but; there's more IMHO.
 
Old 04-22-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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It's pivotal when evenly matched groups are pitted against each none an NEITHER HAS THE MAJORITY.

In America that is what we are headed for.
No. The 90% of black will vote for liberal democrats and virtually all the illegals and their offspring will vote exactly like they voted in Mexico which is for liberal democrats only in Mexico they call them priistas.

That's what they did to their own country -- voted as a bloc and there is nothing pivotal in any elections. They are also a one-party people.
 
Old 04-22-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Equal opportunity is not the same as equal groups.
By not learning English, many immigrants are not going to have that equal opportunity here.
 
Old 04-22-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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But it is a non-White nation.
It's about the culture.

You're the racist not I. You can't see beyond race. Why is Barbados so much more successful then Haiti or the Dominican Republic? Barbados is third in standard of living and literacy of it's people.

Why would you want to give up the culture that made the USA, Canada, Barbados and other countries successful and replace it with one that has failed in so many places?

I know immigrants from Barbados -- they came in already educated, legally, not one is living on welfare handouts, they speak English, they assimilate into the culture of the USA easily, they succeed in the work place and you don't hear them trying to be victims.
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