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Old 04-20-2012, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Throwing or not throwing money at our education system is not the main cause of our problems. 1 2
That's true, but a minimum amount is necessary to keep the doors open, pay salaries and buy the books.

So, if throwing more money at education isn't the answer, what is?
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:25 AM
 
Location: the AZ desert
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That's true, but a minimum amount is necessary to keep the doors open, pay salaries and buy the books.

So, if throwing more money at education isn't the answer, what is?
Excellent question. I wish I had the answer.

The first link indicates, "How educated their parents are seems to play a bigger role. This next chart shows the portion of adults age 35 to 44 who had at least some college education, in comparison to students’ test scores. As you can see, the points are clustered more tightly around the line of best fit, showing that there is a stronger correlation between these two variables."

It could be extrapolated that how strongly education is stressed at home is a larger contributor to success. Therefore, the key to greater success lies within the home.

Again, I wish I had the answer.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Typical LIEberal hogwash. The communist DemoCRAP teachers unions work hoof in hoof with the Nazi universities and trial lawyer cabals to indoctrinate children into their Satanic witches covens.

This used to only happen in the godless public schools where we could house the undesirables, but now even our private schools aren't safe anymore. The teacher's covens are everywhere! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! Before it's too late!
Look folks, the voice of reason
You people make this far too easy, maybe you should try not talking so much and listening more often, you might actually learn something for once in your life. Jeeeez.
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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The program was an utter failure for everyone...except for Neil Bush who made millions on the program.

Bush's Family Profits from 'No Child' Act
Bush's Family Profits from 'No Child' Act
That is retarded, kids benefit from teacher's being held accountable. It's just plain common sense to anyone who doesn't have their heads up the rear ends of the unions of teachers.

What is evil about teachers being forced to teach.
To be held accountable.
To require kids to pass a class for real before graduating to the next class.

Go ahead, say what is wrong with what I said, I dare you to defend poor teachers and not educating kids.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Yes, let's look at the facts:
Who wats to cut education funds every chance they get: Not the Libs...
Who is against child labor laws: Not the Libs
Who is against minimum wages: Not the Libs....
We already spend more money per k-12 student than any other country but Switzerland.
K-12 Spending Per Student in the OECD | Mercatus

But we're not even in the top 20 in performance. So money is hardly the issue here.

Not only that, but I rarely hear calls from conservatives for cutting spending on K-12. What I often hear are calls for reforms such as vouchers, merit pay, teacher accountablity, etc. Do you have examples of such calls for cuts? Since it happens 'every chance they get' it should be easy for you to come up with an example or two.

As for child labor and min wage regulations, this is part and parcel of what has made it so tough for teenagers to get their feet in the employment door. Supppose you're an employer and required to pay $9.04/hr, and have a choice between a 16 year old kid and a 25-yr-old experienced worker who maybe has a kid and thus incentive not get himself fired. Who do gets the job, every time, when $9.04 is the lowest wage you can offer?
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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We already spend more money per k-12 student than any other country but Switzerland.
K-12 Spending Per Student in the OECD | Mercatus

But we're not even in the top 20 in performance. So money is hardly the issue here.

Not only that, but I rarely hear calls from conservatives for cutting spending on K-12. What I often hear are calls for reforms such as vouchers, merit pay, teacher accountablity, etc. Do you have examples of such calls for cuts? Since it happens 'every chance they get' it should be easy for you to come up with an example or two.

As for child labor and min wage regulations, this is part and parcel of what has made it so tough for teenagers to get their feet in the employment door. Supppose you're an employer and required to pay $9.04/hr, and have a choice between a 16 year old kid and a 25-yr-old experienced worker who maybe has a kid and thus incentive not get himself fired. Who do gets the job, every time, when $9.04 is the lowest wage you can offer?
That is because we are not spending the money wisely, I never said I was against reform, but vouchers are not the cure, they only leave Millions of children in bad schools. Maybe we should look to Europe, OMG, and see how they are succeeding where we are failing. Oh and I would add get rid of the ZERO tolerance rules while we are at it, it only proves that justice is not the goal, being lazy is.
Examples: TEXAS, look it up and see the results of Perry's cuts, schools being closed, more stsudents per teacher in the classrooms, programs being cut. Has our education been improved by the cuts, NO but has been degraded.
Minimum wage is no where near $9.04 here, must be different where you are, is that a full time employee or a part time, it makes a big difference and most all teens work part time jobs. I would also add that eating establishments don't even have to pay minimum wage.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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To require kids to pass a class for real before graduating to the next class.

They're not. They're required to pass a TEST, which isn't the same thing.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We already spend more money per k-12 student than any other country but Switzerland.
K-12 Spending Per Student in the OECD | Mercatus

But we're not even in the top 20 in performance. So money is hardly the issue here.

Not only that, but I rarely hear calls from conservatives for cutting spending on K-12. What I often hear are calls for reforms such as vouchers, merit pay, teacher accountablity, etc. Do you have examples of such calls for cuts? Since it happens 'every chance they get' it should be easy for you to come up with an example or two.

As for child labor and min wage regulations, this is part and parcel of what has made it so tough for teenagers to get their feet in the employment door. Supppose you're an employer and required to pay $9.04/hr, and have a choice between a 16 year old kid and a 25-yr-old experienced worker who maybe has a kid and thus incentive not get himself fired. Who do gets the job, every time, when $9.04 is the lowest wage you can offer?

But, if you're that same employer and you can pay teenagers $4 an hour, that's all you'll hire, putting adult family wage earners on welfare.

Is that better?
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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These Nazi propagandist told US investigators during the WWII war crimes trials that if you are going to tell a lie to the citizens make sure it's a BIG LIE.

If anybody claims the GOP is better for kids than Dems.....you'll know where that scam came from.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Typical LIEberal hogwash. The communist DemoCRAP teachers unions work hoof in hoof with the Nazi universities and trial lawyer cabals to indoctrinate children into their Satanic witches covens.

This used to only happen in the godless public schools where we could house the undesirables, but now even our private schools aren't safe anymore. The teacher's covens are everywhere! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! Before it's too late!
"communist," "Nazi," "Satanic" -- a bit shrill, no?
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