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I have one too.
Along with an assortment of other tools.
Isn't it just a little suspicious for a high school kid
to have this one and only tool in his backpack?
Do you suppose he was makin' a few bucks on the side
tightening things? Mebbie that's how he got the jewelry.
BTW, no...Phillips-head screwdrivers make poor burglary tools.
Well when they found the Martin burglary tool they did find Jewelry he could not account for, so he was already in business from what I can tell.
No, you're wrong again. The NYT interviewed a witness who was interviewed by the police the night of the incident, and then again later was interviewed by the State Attorney's office, who saw the fight, was in a bedroom in close proximity to the fight, and said that it was Trayvon who was screaming for help. That particular witness has a lawyer and agreed to talk only if the name was not revealed to the public. That witness has in fact given a sworn statement to the State already. You won't know the name of the witness nor specifically what the sworn statement says until the trial. I have no doubt there are other witnesses who have chosen NOT to go public with what they saw, heard, or know, but have given statements already.
You don't really think that YOU have all the names of all the witnesses the state has interviewed, and the sworn statements they have made at this point, do you? I can promise you that you do NOT have all that information. In fact, the state and the defense have agreed to file motions to ensure the privacy of the witnesses and their statements during discovery, that the witness names will be redacted and the witness statements will remain sealed until the trial. Certainly, you are not so naive that you think the only witnesses out there are the ones to spoke to the media.
Michelle Jacobs, a defense attorney and law professor at the University of Florida, tells USA TODAY's Marisol Bell the reports show there was a fight between the two men but they do not get to the central points of the case: why did the fight occur and was the use of deadly force justified?
"He may have gotten injuries but it could have been because it was Trayvon Martin who feared he was at risk of death or serious bodily injury," Jacobs says. "The injuries themselves do not tell us anything about who initiated the contact. And that's what the case will hinge on."
I have one too.
Along with an assortment of other tools.
Isn't it just a little suspicious for a high school kid
to have this one and only tool in his backpack?
Do you suppose he was makin' a few bucks on the side
tightening things? Mebbie that's how he got the jewelry.
BTW, no...Phillips-head screwdrivers make poor burglary tools.
Yes, it could be suspicious; and, probably not working his way through school "tightening things."
I just read again in the news that there were not witnesses to what led up to the event. We know we have Zimmerman on the bottom getting beat up by Martin who only had bruised or cut skin on his nuckles and witnesses say they saw Martin beating Zimmerman mixed martial arts style. That was it.
Okay. You take the word of news reports regarding how many witnesses and who saw what. Why?
When the attorneys in this case are saying that they are filing motions with the court to restrict the filing of witness names and statements in the court files where they can be reviewed by the public, WHY would you think that there are no more witnesses other than the few who have come forward and spoken to the media? LOTS OF PEOPLE out there don't want their names in the paper, they don't want to be hassled by the media, they don't want the attention, so they wouldn't voluntarily go to the media with their story.
Time will tell about this issue. When this case goes to immunity hearing or to trial, you will see that there are many, many more witnesses than the few you cite and are aware of.
Yes, it could be suspicious; and, probably not working his way through school "tightening things."
Cool, we got to agree on something.
Seriously, everything before the confrontation started is irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how tall they were or if they smoked pot or got
in trouble. We've been goin' down many tangents here, but the
only thing that matters is how the fight started, who started it and
if it was self defense. All of us medical, legal, forensic experts here
can speculate 'till the trial, but we don't know what happened.
That is still not a question that is going to bury Zimmerman on the stand though...It becomes very arbitrary in this regard.
So Zimmerman should be buried under the jail because a fully grown adolescent....who could easily be mistaken for an adult....made a bad decision?
How do you expect one person to just lay there and get whooped on because you have to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt?
Well, I just find it interesting that so many are asking why Trayvon didn't run. Most folks are forgetting that Trayvon was a young man. Most men just aren't going to run unless danger is obvious (someone is brandishing a gun) and/or he is outnumbered.
re: the fight. Zimmerman's injuries do not look like they would cause someone to fear for their life. Just looked like he was losing the fight and wanted it to end.
Cool, we got to agree on something.
Seriously, everything before the confrontation started is irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how tall they were or if they smoked pot or got
in trouble. We've been goin' down many tangents here, but the
only thing that matters is how the fight started, who started it and
if it was self defense. All of us medical, legal, forensic experts here
can speculate 'till the trial, but we don't know what happened.
Again we agree. We absolutely will not know all of the relevant evidence until it is revealed at an immunity hearing or a trial. I think it's wise to not disregard one's opponent nor to under estimate them. So many people are saying that the State has a crappy case, and I say, it's impossible to make that judgement until you see all/majority of the evidence.
re: the fight. Zimmerman's injuries do not look like they would cause someone to fear for their life. Just looked like he was losing the fight and wanted it to end.
He claims that his head was being hit on the sidewalk
and that he was in fear for his life. How serious his
injuries were, up to that point, doesn't matter much.
Okay. You take the word of news reports regarding how many witnesses and who saw what. Why?
When the attorneys in this case are saying that they are filing motions with the court to restrict the filing of witness names and statements in the court files where they can be reviewed by the public, WHY would you think that there are no more witnesses other than the few who have come forward and spoken to the media? LOTS OF PEOPLE out there don't want their names in the paper, they don't want to be hassled by the media, they don't want the attention, so they wouldn't voluntarily go to the media with their story.
Time will tell about this issue. When this case goes to immunity hearing or to trial, you will see that there are many, many more witnesses than the few you cite and are aware of.
There are no eye witnesses to what led up to this beating by Trayvon and the shooting. The prosecutor's officers on this case testified to that fact in the bond hearing as well.
There are no eye witnesses to what led up to this beating by Trayvon and the shooting. The prosecutor's officers on this case testified to that fact in the bond hearing as well.
You do realize that the state attorney's office has continued to investigate this case since the bail hearing, don't you?
There is an eye witness that saw the fight in progress and gave a sworn statement that it was Trayvon screaming "help."
Do you think all investigation stops just because there is a probable cause affidavit filed and a bail hearing?
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