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Old 05-27-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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Actually the term Cristal was used until it's spelling was changed to Crystal in the early 1800's, so technically he is right

 
Old 05-27-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Actually the term Cristal was used until it's spelling was changed to Crystal in the early 1800's, so technically he is right
Look at the calendar...it is 2012.
 
Old 05-27-2012, 01:17 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Does somebody have to be armed to be a threat?
No, of course not. However, the original Castle Laws were written to protect someone in the comfort of his own home. Then they were expanded to include one's vehicle and body. However, at what point does "perceived fear" stop? Florida's SYG law uses ambiguous terms like "perceived threat."

As I wrote earlier, if you are afraid of someone or something, you don't go after the source of your fear and then claim self defense. If George Zimmerman saw Trayvon Martin walking and felt he was a danger to the community, common sense tells me he would never have followed him unless the prescription medication he was taking affected his cognitive thinking process. We each have a fight or flight response to danger. In Zimmerman's case, he had every opportunity to stay in his car or retreat. However, in Martin's case, we only know he tried to get away ("he's running") and then was killed. When "flight" didn't work, then the natural "fight" response kicked in. There is, as far as we know, no evidence showing Trayvon Martin doubled back and followed George Zimmerman to his car. After all, Martin's body was found in a grassy area behind some buildings, not near Zimmerman's car.

To answer your question, I don't think a person necessarily has to be armed to be a threat. I'm about 115 lbs and not very strong, so I certainly would want to protect myself from bodily injury or death if a man attacked me. However, if I saw a person I felt was a threat to me, I would not follow him.
 
Old 05-27-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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I don't need a cop's report to tell me the killing was ultimately avoidable if gz had stayed in his car. So what ? The question is, What crime, if any, did he commit ?

I said in other posts the hoodie doesn't affect my opinion and I wasn't sure why it got so much attention. The Million Hoodie March I guess helped. It became part of the gz is a racist storyline even though he said nothing about a hoodie until asked to describe what the guy was wearing.

The idealists among you can pretend that hooded young men, black especially, don't receive extra attention in a store or by the cops. Profiling, stereotyping, racism exist.
Of course they do. So what's your point? I never said GZ was a racist, but he definitely made a judgment call based on what he felt was wrong about Trayvon Martin. It was his perception. When does perception, especially when that logic and reasoning is clouded by stress & anxiety, become reality?
 
Old 05-27-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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You hit it on the head. Try boarding a plane or walk to a federal building wearing the hoodie...
Are you serious? People board planes and walk into federal buildings in hoodies all the time!
 
Old 05-27-2012, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I wore a hoodie to church today.
 
Old 05-27-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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I cant believe a couple thousand people jump
Up and down and this innocent man gets arrested. And for what? Volunteering to make his neaighborhood safer from burglers?

And poor sweet Traybon had stolen women's jewlery, marijuanu and burglery tools found in his school locker.
 
Old 05-27-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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I cant believe a couple thousand people jump
Up and down and this innocent man gets arrested. And for what? Volunteering to make his neaighborhood safer from burglers?

And poor sweet Traybon had stolen women's jewlery, marijuanu and burglery tools found in his school locker.
BS! The police couldn`t connect the jewelry to any theft and a screw driver is a screw driver,not a burglary tool.No marijuana was found in his locker but an empty bag with traces of the devil weed were. Hardly a reason for a death sentence.
 
Old 05-27-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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Of course they do. So what's your point? I never said GZ was a racist, but he definitely made a judgment call based on what he felt was wrong about Trayvon Martin. It was his perception. When does perception, especially when that logic and reasoning is clouded by stress & anxiety, become reality?
You posed the question--- "why are so many people talking about the hoodie he was wearing or the fact that he didn't put the hood down?"

I guess that was a rhetorical question. I'll ask one too. Why was there a Million Hoodie March instead of a Million White Tennis Shoes or Million Sweatpants March ?

If you'd rather discuss the cop's conclusion that the killing was avoidable if gz had stayed in his car and and what crime, if any, gz committed, do.
 
Old 05-27-2012, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I cant believe a couple thousand people jump
Up and down and this innocent man gets arrested. And for what? Volunteering to make his neaighborhood safer from burglers?

And poor sweet Traybon had stolen women's jewlery, marijuanu and burglery tools found in his school locker.
For the umpteenth time:

George Zimmerman was not performing Neighborhood Watch duty when he KILLED Trayvon Martin!
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