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Old 06-01-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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The donations were coming in after he was bailed out. He didn't lie, he didn't have it yet. This is a case of the state trying to play up a losing case.
THey're talking about BEFORE he was released on bail and they have tape recordings of Zimmerman talking to his wife prior to the bail hearing about the money. Hard to get stronger evidence than that that he knew about the money before he testified.

 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Why should he be forced to hand over the money donated for his defense, to be held as bond, stripping him of the ability to defend himself?
You think lying to the Judge is ok?

He simply needed to state how much money he had collected, and that it was for his defense fund.

The Judge said it best:
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"The court was led to believe that they didn't have a single penny," said prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda. "If this [the money] wasn't relevant to bond then why did they lie about it? I don't know what other words to use besides that it was a blatant lie."
He flat out lied to the Judge.

And turned in an expired passport when he had a 2nd one at home.
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In recordings of conversations released today during a court hearing, Zimmerman and his wife, Shelly Zimmerman, cryptically talk about his second passport in a safety deposit box they shared.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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I wish I could figure a way to bet against the seemed odds that IMO Z will walk without a trial. I still don't know and would hedge my bet on the facts of who approached who, who closed the body space but if Z is not a pure rank liar he walks.

Sime I hope you have told ur kids not to jump on a stranger.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:19 PM
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Why should he be forced to hand over the money donated for his defense, to be held as bond, stripping him of the ability to defend himself?
That is how it works for everyone. If you want to keep your money, you stay in jail until the trial is over. If you want to go free on bond, you tell the truth about your finances and give up some cash.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Why should he be forced to hand over the money donated for his defense, to be held as bond, stripping him of the ability to defend himself?
No one was forcing him to 'hand over the money'.

When setting bail, a judge takes into account the financial status of the person asking for bail...along with the seriousness of the alledged crime(s).
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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He had a valid passport and an expired passport.

One of his conditions of bond was to turn in his passport. He turned in the expired on and kept the valid one. Not only is that playing games with the judge, it's kind of making him look like a flight risk.

Not only that, he applied for the second passport 2 weeks after the shooting, claiming that he had lost the original one that was due to expire in May. He then turned in the "lost" passport to the judge.

He also lied about the amount of money he had - they found this out after they reviewed jailhouse tapes of him speaking to his wife on the phone about the money he was transferring into his bank account, apparently in some sort of code.
Did he really do that? Oh wow. (sorry...haven't paid attention anymore).
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Did he really do that? Oh wow. (sorry...haven't paid attention anymore).
Yes, here's a link

George Zimmerman's Bond Revoked - ABC News

It's pretty damning, as they have recorded phone conversations where he discusses both the money, and the extra passport, with his wife.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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No one was forcing him to 'hand over the money'.

When setting bail, a judge takes into account the financial status of the person asking for bail...along with the seriousness of the alledged crime(s).
It would appear in this case the prosecutor is betting their ability to win on the ability to impoverish the victim here.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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Why should he be forced to hand over the money donated for his defense, to be held as bond, stripping him of the ability to defend himself?
In Florida if you don't have money to pay a defense lawyer, the state provides you with an attorney, a Public Defender.

He lied on the witness stand about how much money he had at the time. Lying to the Court is not a good idea. Really hurts your case. Especially in a case where your defense is dependent upon a jury believing you when you say you were in fear for your life and there's no other living witness.
 
Old 06-01-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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In Florida if you don't have money to pay a defense lawyer, the state provides you with an attorney, a Public Defender.

He lied on the witness stand about how much money he had at the time. Lying to the Court is not a good idea. Really hurts your case. Especially in a case where your defense is dependent upon a jury believing you when you say you were in fear for your life and there's no other living witness.
Yeah, public defenders do a wonderful job of defending.
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