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Old 06-05-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by donsabi View Post
George Zimmerman is being railroaded. The news media is still showing photos of George Z from many years ago when he was overweight and unshaven. The only thing that is missing is the black hat. At the same time they are showing photos of Martin at age 10. America was surprised when the video of Martin was aired and Martin towered over the store clerk at 6'3".

Martin was on the football team and in condition for that sport. Martin had appartently had some kind of martial arts training. Martin was suspended from his school for drugs. Was that using or selling? Martin was high the night of his demise. Martin was urged by his girlfriend to run, he refused. Martin had a cell phone and could have called police, he did not. Instead Martin decided to attack the smaller white guy with martial art blows and then bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete. George Z had no other choice other than to shoot. Martin was the instrument of his own death.

George Z is a law abiding citizen who was trying to protect his neighborhood and was forced to shot a person he thought was suspicious. Wouldn't you consider a person walking in Florida late at night with a hoodie pulled over his head, sunglasses, and walking behind the homes instead of in front of them suspicious?

George Z did the right thing. It is unfortunate that a death resulted but Martin had many options but instead decided on confrontation and lost.

George Z needs to be freed.

BTW, Mrs. Martin provided to photos of her son from early years. Why did she do that? Why does the news media keep showing these same erroneous pictures when they know those photos are childhood photos?
There are so many "facts" in your post which are wrong, there's no point going through all of them but starting at the get go with the height of Trayvon, the autopsy report gives his actual, factual height, and it's not 6'3"...We do, in fact, know the actual height of Trayon.....the medical examiner measured him for the autopsy report.

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Old 06-05-2012, 08:56 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Originally Posted by donsabi View Post
George Zimmerman is being railroaded. The news media is still showing photos of George Z from many years ago when he was overweight and unshaven. The only thing that is missing is the black hat. At the same time they are showing photos of Martin at age 10. America was surprised when the video of Martin was aired and Martin towered over the store clerk at 6'3".

Martin was on the football team and in condition for that sport. Martin had appartently had some kind of martial arts training. Martin was suspended from his school for drugs. Was that using or selling? Martin was high the night of his demise. Martin was urged by his girlfriend to run, he refused. Martin had a cell phone and could have called police, he did not. Instead Martin decided to attack the smaller white guy with martial art blows and then bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete. George Z had no other choice other than to shoot. Martin was the instrument of his own death.

George Z is a law abiding citizen who was trying to protect his neighborhood and was forced to shot a person he thought was suspicious. Wouldn't you consider a person walking in Florida late at night with a hoodie pulled over his head, sunglasses, and walking behind the homes instead of in front of them suspicious?

George Z did the right thing. It is unfortunate that a death resulted but Martin had many options but instead decided on confrontation and lost.

George Z needs to be freed.

BTW, Mrs. Martin provided to photos of her son from early years. Why did she do that? Why does the news media keep showing these same erroneous pictures when they know those photos are childhood photos?
Got some really good smoke eh? In case that you have not noticed good old railroaded zimmerman was set up to flee. He had money, motive and valid passport which he did not turn in. But yet the clueless keep donating money to him claiming that he is innocent.....why give the impression that you are going to flee than?
 
Old 06-05-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
The last time Zimmerman was booked into jail he was 5'8" and weighed 185#. Trayvon Martin was 5'11" and 158# at autopsy. Martin had not played football for some time, I believe middle school. So what if he had martial arts training? GZ had a GUN! Martin was suspended for having a bag with marijuana residue in it. That info came out at least a month ago, yet you're asking now? Apparently you haven't been following the case, yet you know exactly what happened.

George Zimmerman, for the umpteenth time, was NOT acting in any Neighborhod Watch capacity. He was on his way to Target with a loaded gun.

It was not late at night; it wasn't even 7:30 PM. It was raining. I have never heard anything about Trayvon wearing sunglasses, and the video from the 7-11 store contradicts such an assertion.
 
Old 06-05-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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Yesterday it was reported that Zimmerman's attorney, O'Mara, said he would be immediately filing for a new bond hearing.

Today is is being reported that O'Mara is putting off filing for that hearing with no explanation of why. Total speculation on my part, and I'm wondering if Zimmerman's stories are getting even more inconsistent to his lawyer?

"George Zimmerman's attorney announced on his legal team's website Tuesday that he would put off filing a new bond motion. He offered no further explanation."

Argusleader - George Zimmerman delays filing for new bond hearing
 
Old 06-05-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Originally Posted by donsabi View Post
George Zimmerman is being railroaded. The news media is still showing photos of George Z from many years ago when he was overweight and unshaven. The only thing that is missing is the black hat. At the same time they are showing photos of Martin at age 10. America was surprised when the video of Martin was aired and Martin towered over the store clerk at 6'3".

Does that take away what he did?

Martin was on the football team and in condition for that sport. Martin had appartently had some kind of martial arts training. Martin was suspended from his school for drugs. Was that using or selling? Martin was high the night of his demise. Martin was urged by his girlfriend to run, he refused. Martin had a cell phone and could have called police, he did not. Instead Martin decided to attack the smaller white guy with martial art blows and then bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete. George Z had no other choice other than to shoot. Martin was the instrument of his own death.

You really should keep current on events and learn to fully understand what you are reading.

1. Trayvon was not high on drugs, traces of hemp was in his system which can last up to 30 days.
2. Why should he run because someone is following him, which would make him look like he did something
3. there is no proof that Trayvon was Bruce Lee incarnate
4. If zimmerman was getting his butt handed to him like you described, why did'nt he go to the hospital for further evaluation?

George Z is a law abiding citizen who was trying to protect his neighborhood and was forced to shot a person he thought was suspicious. Wouldn't you consider a person walking in Florida late at night with a hoodie pulled over his head, sunglasses, and walking behind the homes instead of in front of them suspicious?

Damn you are really dense!

1. Trayvon did NOT have sunglasses on in the dark in the rain
2. A hoodie over one's head in the rain makes more sense then you are
3. Why walk in front of houses when your destination is in between others and you are in a hurry to get out of the rain?


George Z did the right thing. It is unfortunate that a death resulted but Martin had many options but instead decided on confrontation and lost.

Thats why his monkey azz is in jail!

George Z needs to be freed.

Methinks you need to really read and get a better understanding as to what had actually happened before you decide to post such drivel

BTW, Mrs. Martin provided to photos of her son from early years. Why did she do that? Why does the news media keep showing these same erroneous pictures when they know those photos are childhood photos?
Does it matter to you that zimmerman was asked how much money did he had and lied? Does it matter to you that zimmerman had money, motive and a passport to be considered to be a flight risk?

I guess reading IS fundamental
 
Old 06-05-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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[/b] You do know the difference, don't you? Nothing bad about justifiable homicide, it is taking scum off the streets and sending a message to the rest of them. Now maybe they will find another way to make a living. Of course, unless you have a problem with black criminals being shot/killed.
So you're saying that it pleases you in general that "black criminals" are being killed? I have a problem with the death penalty being carried out by private citizens for property crimes, all without a trial.

Additionally, it seems, based on your words "taking scum off the streets" that you must be somewhat of a supporter of vigilantism, as some others who have posted that the SYG laws "helps" law enforcement and the court system by not having them involved.

Personally, I find that idea abhorrent.
 
Old 06-05-2012, 09:40 AM
 
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Sorry, but how is that relevant to no duty to retreat laws? IF someone is attacked, why should they have to retreat first? Seems unjust to place the burden on the victim. Also, people freak out/panic/react quickly in emergency situations. Just because in hindsight they could have reacted better doesn't mean they should. Crime stats have nothing to do with the correctness of the law.

It seems appropriate to keep the law out of those issues and hold victims harmless. Also saves judicial resources.
Just like here in the Zimmerman case?

The SYG law is too broad and vague. It leads to killing people just because you make a serious error in judgement. I oppose the death penalty being carried out by private citizens, and certainly do not support leaving law enforcement and the court system out of such issues as private citizens killing each other. If someone is dead, then who was really the victim is a difficult fact to determine because there is only one person left to say what happened; that's why there should absolutely be involvement of law enforcement and the courts. Surely you are not so naive as to be unable to see the enormous opportunities for abuse of SYG laws.
 
Old 06-05-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Originally Posted by donsabi View Post
George Zimmerman is being railroaded. The news media is still showing photos of George Z from many years ago when he was overweight and unshaven. The only thing that is missing is the black hat. At the same time they are showing photos of Martin at age 10. America was surprised when the video of Martin was aired and Martin towered over the store clerk at 6'3".

Martin was on the football team and in condition for that sport. Martin had appartently had some kind of martial arts training. Martin was suspended from his school for drugs. Was that using or selling? Martin was high the night of his demise. Martin was urged by his girlfriend to run, he refused. Martin had a cell phone and could have called police, he did not. Instead Martin decided to attack the smaller white guy with martial art blows and then bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete. George Z had no other choice other than to shoot. Martin was the instrument of his own death.

George Z is a law abiding citizen who was trying to protect his neighborhood and was forced to shot a person he thought was suspicious. Wouldn't you consider a person walking in Florida late at night with a hoodie pulled over his head, sunglasses, and walking behind the homes instead of in front of them suspicious?

George Z did the right thing. It is unfortunate that a death resulted but Martin had many options but instead decided on confrontation and lost.

George Z needs to be freed.

BTW, Mrs. Martin provided to photos of her son from early years. Why did she do that? Why does the news media keep showing these same erroneous pictures when they know those photos are childhood photos?
George Zimmerman has been arrested numerous times for assaulting a police officer and for domestice violence. Are you really calling that "law abiding"?

U.S. News - Zimmerman accused of domestic violence, fighting with a police officer
 
Old 06-05-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Is there prima facia of intent? Would you want to be sitting in jail for self defense? If you go to the market this afternoon a derelict asks you for change and when you pull out your wallet he grabs it and starts to run. You peruse for a block and you here sirens coming down the street. Only a block away and you know you'll receive help in catching the thief. About the time you catch up to him he turns on you and runs toward you knocking you to the ground. You shoot him dead. Do you think you should sit in jail and await trial?
Yes, there is. When you intend to shoot a gun, you intend to shoot a gun. Unless Z was suffering from some kind of seizure that caused his hand to pull the trigger, he intended to either kill TM or at the very least inflict serious bodily harm. Whether that intent was justified will play out in court.
 
Old 06-05-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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George Zimmerman has been arrested numerous times for assaulting a police officer and for domestice violence. Are you really calling that "law abiding"?

U.S. News - Zimmerman accused of domestic violence, fighting with a police officer
'arrested numerous times' ? I counted once. And we know what Judge Lester said about the original charges in that case. If 'speeding' goes on a list indicating a person's 'aggressive' personality, smells of desperation.
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