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What are you having difficulty understanding about this case?
There's an old legal aphorism that says, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
Calling other members "morons" and making comments with insults like "idiotic" makes it obvious to me that a few people on this thread are simply pounding the table.
I agree with you there, but Zimmerman's fate will be determined in a courtroom, so I am not sure why anyone thinks they know exactly what the outcome will be. I am of the opinion that he should rot in prison, but I would say the same thing about Casey Anthony and we know what happened there.
I think Zimmerman is an unstable, reckless idiot and I think that if he gets off he'll do something to get himself back in. Between the lying, the numerous calls to police and the poor judgement he used when he exited his vehicle to follow an innocent teenager, apparently he thinks he is entitled to do whatever he wants. Aggression, dishonesty and stupidity is not a good combination.
Casey Anthony was found not guilty because the State could not prove their case. I think the Casey Anthony trial is one of the reasons that the special prosecutor in this case may have been very careful that she has what she feels is adequate evidence, enough evidence, to support a conviction. EVERYBODY knew what happened in the CA trial. And the state attorney in that case took a lot of heat. The lead prosecutor on that case quit his job immediately after the trial was over. I'm sure the special prosecutor does not want her reputation ruined by filing charges in a case where she has very limited evidence, or evidence she can't tie together in a coherent manner so that a jury can understand.
As for Zimmerman, I'm wondering if he's sort of a pathological liar, and maybe sometimes doesn't even realize he's lying or have any belief that lying is "wrong." This has to be a nightmare for his attorney.
Ah, but if you had read any of my previous posts you would find a statement similar to this, if z so much as placed a fatherly hand on this young mans shoulder the young man had every right to knock it off his shoulder in which case z deserves to hang. If it were my son and that in fact happened I too would want him to hang. I belIeve it is likely the opposite until I learn differently. In that regard I would say a trial is in order. However, he should not be in jail until the trial begins. Otherwise these asinine political red neck hacks have put an innocent man in jail guilty of no more than self defense. If that happens as a result of this trial we are all screwed for self defense and private property defense.
Fatherly? GZ was only 11 years older than Trayvon. A little young to be his father.
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I am pleased that any criminal that theatens any ones life for any reason, black or white is being taken out. They are useless POS who do not deserve to live. I think black posters here are just angry that blacks commit the majority of violent crimes and are now being dealt with by being shot and killed and I feel it bothers you.
So what was Trayvon convicted of? Who threatened whose life?
Casey Anthony was found not guilty because the State could not prove their case. I think the Casey Anthony trial is one of the reasons that the special prosecutor in this case may have been very careful that she has what she feels is adequate evidence, enough evidence, to support a conviction. EVERYBODY knew what happened in the CA trial. And the state attorney in that case took a lot of heat. The lead prosecutor on that case quit his job immediately after the trial was over. I'm sure the special prosecutor does not want her reputation ruined by filing charges in a case where she has very limited evidence, or evidence she can't tie together in a coherent manner so that a jury can understand.
As for Zimmerman, I'm wondering if he's sort of a pathological liar, and maybe sometimes doesn't even realize he's lying or have any belief that lying is "wrong." This has to be a nightmare for his attorney.
You give prosecutors way too much credit. They're not all nearly as bright as you assume. Plenty are just as venal and ambitious as any other politician.
I do agree Zimmerman is a world-class idiot. But that doesn't mean the state has come close to the evidence needed for murder 2. Even taking *everything* the girlfriend says at face value, and even accounting for whatever conflicts/lies Zim told, the physical and eyewitness evidence is much too in Zim's favor to get beyond a reasonable doubt for murder 2. Like Dershowitz says, the elements for the offense just aren't there. Even if you assume Zimmerman started assaulting Trayvon first (a *giant* assumption based on the evidence), it didn't necessarily give Trayvon the right to use deadly force (which punching someone lying prone for a minute is). Unless there is proof Zim threatened Trayvon with a gun first I don't see a conviction here.
Bear in mind I was just making assumptions above. There's zero or scant evidence for all of the stuff I said.
Dershowitz is by no means a conservative. He sees the blatant political motivation of a very shallow political move. Look for this prosecutor to get involved in politics soon and or gain some book royalties.
There's an old legal aphorism that says, "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
Calling other members "morons" and making comments with insults like "idiotic" makes it obvious to me that a few people on this thread are simply pounding the table.
I will be here to explore the feelings of these folks when Zimmerman does not go to trial.
Free Zimmerman. False arrest, prisoner of conscious.
He will be freed, and all the Trayvoniacs spewing their guts out in this and other Tray threads will be fools. But they won't realize it because they just plain aren't that smart.
It goes with the liberal mindset.
Every single day, I'm thankful to God that I wasn't raised that way.
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I will be here to explore the feelings of these folks when Zimmerman does not go to trial.
Yes. I read what you said in this post after I posted the above.
They have no such witness that's the problem. They have no idea who started the fight. Zimmerman's little game with the court may cost him though. It was a foolish thing to do.
I look forward to the day this trial starts. You are going to be quite surprised at what kind of ideas "they" have about how the fight started. Once again, Edward: circumstantial evidence.
He will be freed, and all the Trayvoniacs spewing their guts out in this and other Tray threads will be fools. But they won't realize it because they just plain aren't that smart.
It goes with the liberal mindset.
Every single day, I'm thankful to God that I wasn't raised that way.
Yes. I read what you said in this post after I posted the above.
Fun times are a'comin' for you and me.
Delusions or wishful thinking?
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This has to be a nightmare for his attorney.
I think black posters here are just angry that blacks commit the majority of violent crimes and are now being dealt with by being shot and killed and I feel it bothers you.
