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So what you just said is we don't know. Legally, that means there's no way for the prosecution to get around reasonable doubt. And manslaughter != second degree murder.
We don't know but that has nothing to do with the prosecution proving that George Zimmerman committed second degree murder or manslaugter beyond a reasonable doubt. We shall see. One of the investigator seemed to believe this did fall within the parameters of self-defense and that George Zimmerman could have avoided killing Trayvon Martin. There is ballistic and forensic evidence to consider, the timeline of events, including Trayvon Martin's phone call and yes George Zimmerman's character and state of mind since he is the one on trial. We don't have access to everything, we don't know how the prosecution and defense will battle this out in court and we are not on the jury. I am not one claiming to know the outcome of this case. That would be the George Zimmerman supporters. Personally, I don't see how a person can follow someone in the dark not expect them to run or fight out of fear. If George Zimmerman provoked this, he is at fault.
Looks like GZ passed two police issued lie detector tests as well....
Does anyone know which question were on those tests? This is a moot point if these are things that we already knew about the encounter. We do know that Zimmerman is very capable of lying or he would not be back in jail now.
What question could a lie detector test have on it that would make a difference in determining whether or not his killing Trayvon Martin was justified? The arguments remain the same. Think about it.
I'm not sure if anyone posted this, but it's worth repeating:
"Investigative findings show that (Zimmerman) had at least two opportunities to speak with (Martin) in order to defuse the circumstances surrounding their encounter," Serino wrote in the report. "On at least two occasions (Zimmerman) failed to identify himself as a concerned resident or a neighborhood watch volunteer."
Isn't this what I've been saying all along? I asked months ago if he called out of his car window and asked Trayvon where he was going in a non-threatening manner.
The people saying "Well, what if Martin had a gun?" can't have it both ways. Either Zimmerman was afraid of him, meaning he would have stayed inside his car and driven away to meet the cops, or he was not afraid of him and should have simply identified himself as the local NW volunteer or a concerned citizen. He was close enough to talk to Martin, since he said he approached the car and was staring right at him.
Voice stress tests and lie detector tests are unreliable and are not admissible in court. Keep in mind that Zimmerman was on 2 prescription medications that might possibly influence the results. Still, they're never used as evidence in murder trials.
If the struggle took place in the grass, then how did zimmerman get his head bashed in on the concrete?
I know it's a difficult concept, but try this:
You lay down on your bed and your body
is on the bed and your head is on the pillow.
The pillow is the sidewalk. Is that better?
Read through this thread. George's neighborhood?? He didn't even know where he was...There are plenty of mentions of GZ getting close enough to supposedly be attacked?? Because he was following this young person home. Tell me, in this day and age wouldn't you feel threatened?.....most young people would feel threatened by GZ actions....I'm nearly 60, I am known to wear hoodies in chilly weather, I would have felt threatened too. We don't know what GZ did when he caught up w/ Trayvon....But we do know he did. GZ was the instigator, from start to finish...He acted inappropriately from start to finish. What part of GZ's actions are you supporting? Again, we only know what happened because the accused is telling us....Something very wrong w/ this picture, especially given that we Do know the accused is capable of lying when it serves his purpose.
You say we don't know what George did when he confronted Trayvon, then in the same breath you say George acted inappropriately from start to finish. That's a contradiction. If you don't know what his actions even were, how can you call them inappropriate?
You say we don't know what George did when he confronted Trayvon, then in the same breath you say George acted inappropriately from start to finish. That's a contradiction. If you don't know what his actions even were, how can you call them inappropriate?
Actually, we do know what hed did. He followed TM and shot him in the heart.
According to the report, officials conducting the test asked Zimmerman these two questions: Tester: "Did you confront the guy you shot?" Zimmerman: "No."
Tester: "Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?" Zimmerman: "Yes."
The problem is that GZ actually should have confronted TM...with an introduction of who he was and why he was following him.
As for being in fear for his life...GZ's threshold of fear might have been low due to his usually being the one that was the agressor in previous incidences. He put himself in a situation that made another person feel threatened and had the tables turned on him as TM stood is ground.
Considering the fact that even a fool can fool a lie detector, which is the reason they are non admissable, these tests prove nada in this case.
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