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Old 04-19-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That has less to do with Obama's competence and more to do with right-wing ideology. The Bush Admin was about as incompetent as they come and the right-wing kept their mouth's shut if he proposed a regulation.

Republicans have bought into the myth that the government can do no good, only harm. Sure, Bush believed this and appointed a horse show judge as head of FEMA, and FEMA failed, making it a self-fulling prophecy. Clinton believed that government could help people and appointed a competent FEMA leader that expertly managed several natural disasters.

Regarding this thread, the EPA has successfully reduced air pollution by 97% from 1960s levels and similarly with water pollution. When I was a boy, Lake Erie was so polluted that it would catch fire. The EPA is hardly a "screw up" organization.

What has happened to the Republican Party is a quantum shift from a reasonable party -- whose president created the EPA, to one controlled by right-wing fanatics that really do see taxes and regulation as tyrannical impositions on their liberty -- even if it means allowing industry to dump toxic levels of pollutants into the environment causing public harm. Thus, any effort to impose even the most sensible regulation is met with a automatic reflex knee-jerk from the right.

The Obama natural gas drilling regulation makes a great deal of sense, as this NPR article (http://www.npr.org/2012/04/18/150890137/epa-to-slash-air-pollution-from-natural-gas-wells - broken link) describes the E.O. contents:

I recall living within about 5 blocks of an oil refinery in Okmulgee, OK back in 1958. It emitted smoke in every color of the rainbow and the land was soaked in God knows what. When the wind was out of the east, we'd sometimes have to abandon the house because of the really intense smell. Then, there was nothing to prevent them from dumping whatever they liked into the air, soil and water. Nearby Tulsa was worse because they had several refineries lined up along the Arkansas River, which every local knew not to swim in.

Later, in 1968, I worked in Long Beach, CA and drove the Harbor Freeway home in the afternoon. By quitting time, the air hanging over the Signal Hill oil complex was brown like dirt. The whole area smelled like rotten fruit most of the time. I had lived there for over a month before I ever saw the San Gabriel mountains and one night, the harbor at San Pedro caught on fire. Once, when flying into the LA basin, I saw the sea of air pollution trapped behind the mountains flowing out the passes onto the desert like water through a broken dam. Being heavier than air, it settled onto the desert and spread out like a mud flow.

Who in their right minds would want to go back to that?
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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Nice coincidence. People never had a prob until drilling near there home happened.

I really don't understand what yoy people have against responsible regulations. It's like you throw caution to the wind.
We have nothing against responsible regulations. But we can't trust you to be responsible.

I mean police shutting down a child's lemonade stand for not having the proper permits? Come on.

Democrats don't engage in responsible regulation. Democrats overregulate.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Instead of reading the biased synopsis, quote an actual news source. This is AP:



If you think that fracking should go unregulated, with companies drilling anyway and anywhere they want, you are irresponsible. The regulation balances energy production with protecting the public.
This is what's wrong here:

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said EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson in a statement.

IOW: Said Barack Obama in a statement. Is this the same kind of statement he made before he pumped millions of tax payer dollars into Solyndra?
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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We have nothing against responsible regulations. But we can't trust you to be responsible.

I mean police shutting down a child's lemonade stand for not having the proper permits? Come on.

Democrats don't engage in responsible regulation. Democrats overregulate.
I'd like someone to outline how the EPA regulation, that President Obama codified in his exec. order, is irresponsible.

Obama didn't shut down some kid's lemonade stand for not having the proper permits. One can't be suspect of an entire nation's regulatory efforts because of the action of one local policeman.

What it seems like to me instead is that anything Obama proposes, regardless of content or merit, is immediately rejected and opposed by the hard-right. Not long ago, the right-wing got into a hissy-fit about "Obama's regulation of incandescent light bulbs." Turns out the measure was signed by Bush and overwhelmingly and bi-partisanly passed Congress -- but now, since Obama is the President, they all oppose the action.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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IOW: Said Barack Obama in a statement. Is this the same kind of statement he made before he pumped millions of tax payer dollars into Solyndra?
Solyndra has no bearing on the thread at hand. You can't point to unrelated issues and point to Solyndra, which in terms of dollars, doesn't even represent a rounding error in the budget.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Just so the idiots here know, we are exporting gas as we speak because there is an excess of gas and we cannot even store it all, that is why they have slowed their own production and much is due to that winter was so warm this year (something else to ignore).
Now back to your whining, have fun.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Texas...and proud of it.
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Abolishing the EPA would be a good start to just about everything.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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Abolishing the EPA would be a good start to just about everything.
Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency? Are you nuts?
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Problem is most people now see the Govt as trying to take too much control and they screw up just about everything they try to Fix. Their credibility is shot for doing anything that makes sense or doing it in a cost effective manner.

There are serious trust issues with the common man and our Federal Govt. Especially with Obama as President.
No, the problem is that people believe Republican lies like the claim that President Obama has carried out an unprecedented increase in regulations without congressional authority.
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Old 04-19-2012, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Solyndra has no bearing on the thread at hand. You can't point to unrelated issues and point to Solyndra, which in terms of dollars, doesn't even represent a rounding error in the budget.
You can point to other Obama energy failures that he pledged to be great and compare them to current things Obama is doing which he pledges to be great. In case you haven't figured it out yet the Obama administration is not exactly trustworthy.
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