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Old 04-20-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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The return on investment in this scenario should be ammortized over a 20 to 30-year planning horizon. It really doesn't matter to me if Year 1 of the drug-testing-for-welfare scheme is not cost beneficial. The benefit will come in later years when people know that they won't get benefits if they test positive for drugs. That type of societal correction and attitude adjustment has benefits that outweigh the costs to society. It's worth the upfront costs to set the tone.

 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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The return on investment in this scenario should be ammortized over a 20 to 30-year planning horizon. It really doesn't matter to me if Year 1 of the drug-testing-for-welfare scheme is not cost beneficial.
The article is playing with the numbers, It's very beneficial. The 100+ people that failed the test were stupid enough to take it thinking they could beat it. They are only small fraction of the more than 1600 people eligible that were denied, most of them refused to take it. They can't fail it if they don't take it.

There is other important numbers here too, how many people never applied at all?
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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Default Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients in FL Has Failed. - Costs more than is saves.

I doubt that the intent was to save money, but no doubt that's how it was sold to the public.

It's just another example of "small government" conservos using the government as a weapon against target demographics.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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The should have peeled off some of that funding and tested the politicians and judges..who get their dope from the doctor legally..Nothing more scary than wondering if a judge is on Prozac and has lost his ability to feel remorse or guilt...yah might just get an extra 10 years because of the pill he popped that morning...or he might just nod out at a prime moment from the 4 tranquilizers he took with his coffee...

Drugs - street and pharma are everywhere- in the lowest places to the highest...don't just pick on the poor.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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The should have peeled off some of that funding and tested the politicians and judges..who get their dope from the doctor legally..Nothing more scary than wondering if a judge is on Prozac and has lost his ability to feel remorse or guilt...yah might just get an extra 10 years because of the pill he popped that morning...or he might just nod out at a prime moment from the 4 tranquilizers he took with his coffee...

Drugs - street and pharma are everywhere- in the lowest places to the highest...don't just pick on the poor.
The democrats in IN tried to after the right wing goons presented similar drug testing legislation like in FL, but the GOP shot it down after that amendment was added.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1237333.html

Makes you wonder what they are hiding
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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The return on investment in this scenario should be ammortized over a 20 to 30-year planning horizon. It really doesn't matter to me if Year 1 of the drug-testing-for-welfare scheme is not cost beneficial. The benefit will come in later years when people know that they won't get benefits if they test positive for drugs. That type of societal correction and attitude adjustment has benefits that outweigh the costs to society. It's worth the upfront costs to set the tone.
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. To gauge a cost/benefit ratio monitarily you would have to stretch out the study in 10 year increments at minimum, not a single year.

Plus, I don't see the problem with the test in the first place. If someone is in fact abusing drugs, then it would be in their best interest to get clean and stay clean in order to have access to state funds. If people don't like the insinuation of being guilty before innocent by submitting to the test, then tough. Several city jobs require drug screenings as well. No protest there. Wonder why?
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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The testing was done only on new applicants, wasn't it? Anyone can clean up their systems by abstaining for a few weeks. For this legislation to be truly effective, it would be better to do random testing on those already receiving welfare. Many businesses do random drug testing on their employees now and if someone fails, they're out.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:45 PM
 
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The testing was done only on new applicants, wasn't it?
I'm not sure but with 1500 people refusing the test I'm guessing many were unable to abstain.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:49 PM
 
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I'm not sure but with 1500 people refusing the test I'm guessing many were unable to abstain.
You're making up assumptions that people whom refuse are automatically guilty. Most I'm sure were outraged by the more big government wasteful spending from the GOP.
 
Old 04-20-2012, 02:53 PM
 
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Drugs should not be illegal in the first place.
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