Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients in FL Has Failed. - Costs more than is saves. (health care, suspect)
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You're making up assumptions that people whom refuse are automatically guilty. Most I'm sure were outraged by the more big government wasteful spending from the GOP.
But we are told that people apply for these programs because they dont have a choice because without it, they will starve.
It was worth a try, as it sounded like a good idea, but it turned out that it was costing the state more than it was saving.
Chalk this up to another Daily Kos missive fail.
108 of the 4,086 people who took a drug test failed. The 2.6% who failed leaves you with $45,780 in realized losses. The average welfare check in Florida is $366 dollars a month.
108 failed tests x $366/month in benefits = $39528 monthly state welfare liability. Expand that over a year. $39528 x 12 = $474336. Not to mention the $176K in yearly savings from the other 40 who opted out. $500K+ savings on a $46K investment, that's a good return if I ever saw one.
108 of the 4,086 people who took a drug test failed. The 2.6% who failed leaves you with $45,780 in realized losses. The average welfare check in Florida is $366 dollars a month.
108 failed tests x $366/month in benefits = $39528 monthly state welfare liability. Expand that over a year. $39528 x 12 = $474336. Not to mention the $176K in yearly savings from the other 40 who opted out. $500K+ savings on a $46K investment, that's a good return if I ever saw one.
Well...the story was done by the Miami Herald--the leading Florida newspaper, and not the daily Kos
Drug testing welfare applicants doesn’t save state money, data shows - Florida - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/19/2757792/drug-testing-welfare-applicants.html - broken link)
I'm not sure where you're coming with your numbers. The articles also added that the deficit doesn't include the cost of administration, legal fees etc. incurred by the new program.
Or in the case of this program, spend a dollar to save a penny.
Correlate your statement with table I posted above. They spent $58K on reimbursing people that passed the tests. 1629 people either failed or refused to take the tests for a net savings of 1.8 million dollars. I don't know what it is in your world but in mine 1.8 million is much larger number than $58K.
Your numbers are coming from someplace out of the article--care to show some documentation?
You are missing the point my friend. Another article with the same freaky-deaky logic doesn't advance the point any further. I encourage you to step back from ideology and listen. I make a shrewd point and my math is sound.
One more time. Let us first establish our base.
MH establishes that 108 people failed the test. NYT obfuscates and states the 108 cost the state $118K, while the MH is more honest in stating the state's net loss was $46K. We'll rock and roll with the larger $118K.
108 people. We can agree these 108 would have gotten a monthly welfare benefit if not for having been disqualified. And we can agree there were another 40 who opted out who would have received benefits too.
Now the monthly welfare benefit. I googled and found a quote of $366 a month. But it doesn't matter, anyway you slice it, Florida saves money.
We'll even play it down and say Florida's monthly welfare benefit is $100. Take $100/month welfare benefit, times 108 people; results is $10800 a month liability. Extend that over a year and you have $129600 yearly welfare liability.
Using the NYT cost figure of $118K, Florida still saves money. Testing would cost $118K and welfare would cost $130K. We both can agree that the $118K is the smaller figure. And Florida's monthly welfare benefit is much more than $100 - so it follows that the savings are much more than this exercise shows. And I am not even including that other 40 who have collected benefits.
Am I Clear?
Daily Kos and Huffington both started to push this two days ago on 4/18.
You are missing the point my friend. Another article with the same freaky-deaky logic doesn't advance the point any further. I encourage you to step back from ideology and listen. I make a shrewd point and my math is sound.
One more time. Let us first establish our base.
MH establishes that 108 people failed the test. NYT obfuscates and states the 108 cost the state $118K, while the MH is more honest in stating the state's net loss was $46K. We'll rock and roll with the larger $118K.
108 people. We can agree these 108 would have gotten a monthly welfare benefit if not for having been disqualified. And we can agree there were another 40 who opted out who would have received benefits too.
Now the monthly welfare benefit. I googled and found a quote of $366 a month. But it doesn't matter, anyway you slice it, Florida saves money.
We'll even play it down and say Florida's monthly welfare benefit is $100. Take $100/month welfare benefit, times 108 people; results is $10800 a month liability. Extend that over a year and you have $129600 yearly welfare liability.
Using the NYT cost figure of $118K, Florida still saves money. Testing would cost $118K and welfare would cost $130K. We both can agree that the $118K is the smaller figure. And Florida's monthly welfare benefit is much more than $100 - so it follows that the savings are much more than this exercise shows. And I am not even including that other 40 who have collected benefits.
Am I Clear?
Daily Kos and Huffington both started to push this two days ago on 4/18.
As I understand even if you fail you can have someone else receive the check for you.
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